Looking to start a Seahorse Tank

MattandJenCook

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Hi everyone I have been in saltwater for 6 or 7 years. I have had many tanks, Reef, FO, FOWL, and nanos. I recently sold my 180 gallon reef to focus on a smaller tank. I just purchase a 50 gallon tall the dimensions are 31" tall by 21" long by 18.5" wide. I am thinking a HOB filter but I am now leaning toward a fluval with a spray bar. I also am thinking of using a MH setup used for nanos. Mainly because of the height of the tank. I am wanting to keep mushrooms and some softies so thats the reason lighting. I have 20 LBS of tonga branch in a holding tank that is cured. I will go with 50 LBS of sand. I also have some macros growing in a holding tank. As far as horses I am thinking erectus. Any suggestions or thoughts?
 
Sounds like an interesting set up. My only fear would be that the metal halide would heat the tank up too much for seahorses. I personally prefer live rocks and / or refugiums for my filtration, but to each their own. As long as you could address the heat issue, I think this would be a good plan.
 
I am custom building my canopy and I have 2 3" exhast fans On my nano I was able to keep my temps at 75-76 easy. As far a refugium I figured that I basically have a built in refuge because I have the macro, live sand, live rock. I think to have a seperate refuge wouldn't be benefical. Plus the tank is not drilled and the top rim realistate is small (21X18.5). I figure that with a spray bar it will dispearse flow with out leaving alot of dead spots that can hurt a saltwater system.
 
75 degrees and higher will increase the chances of your seahorses getting sick and/or dying. The diseases that most attack seahorses are more aggressive and reproduce more quickly at temperatures higher than 74 degrees.
 
For tropical SH, usually you use cool burning lighting (PCs, T5s), don't keep the room too warm in the summer, and use fans aimed at the water's surface in the summer to keep it cool. For subtropical and temperate SH that need temps in the 60s, you use a chiller.
 
Yeah I usually keep my house temp at 72 and I always used a clip on fan aimed at the water. On my 180 I ran temps at 76 with 3 250 watt MHs and just one fan blowing across the water. I figure I will still use a fan pointed across the water that would probably bring my SH tank down a degree or 2.
 
Erectus are a good choice for a tall tank. I would pass on the MH lighting. The low flow and high lighting on a Seahorse tank = algae blooms. I had a 47 column tank that was 32" . I thought I needed the halide too, but I switched to a 96w powerquad PC lamp and the macros grew great.

Be prepared....a 30+ inch tank is hard to clean. I ended up selling mine because I couldn't reach the front glass in the bottom of the tank. (ha ha I'm 5ft. 0 in. )

Good luck.

Angie
 
Thats what the mag float is for Angie :-) I'm the same way - too short to reach the bottom of my aquarium.
 
I would shy away from the MH lighting in any situation that has seahorses in the equation, but not because of the temp issue. My belief is that a seahorse is more comfortable (and can see better to hunt pods) without the dazzling light that we like so well. Just my opinion.
75 is not to high a temp, depending on the species you choose. A tropical species will be fine at that temp. It is true that the parasites that cause some seahorses to ail do better at higher temps. The issue then, is to keep the parasites out.
Keep your tank clean, QT your tankmates and buy your horses from a good recommended source.
Frequent, small, very dependable (like clockwork) feedings. Fresh thawed mysis or pods from your tank. Make sure you have an OUTSTANDING cleanup crew.
I think your tank sounds like great home.
I would suggest that you research (quite a lot) regarding the feeding habits of seahorses. It is an important key to healthy seahorses.
 
Sounds like a nice seahorse tank.

IMO I would add about 30 lbs more of sand and just call it a DSB. What you are at now is going to give you just under 3" which is kinda of a danger zone for sandbeds. IMO you need to aim for 2" or lower or 4" or more.

As far as lighting, in a tank that tall and that narow I'd probably lean toward a MH bulb myself. The problem here is the bulbs made for the nano setups are like 70w's or something no? Guess it depends on what your looking at. That wattage is not going to give you that much penetration deep in your tank.

Personally I use a 150w HQI bulb on one of my reef tanks that seems to burn pretty cool. I only have 1 2" exhaust fan but there is no temp difference created by the bulb when it turns on. It is a reef tank so the temp is onstantly 79F kept that high by a heater (my house is in the 60's most times). I also can't tell you if that fixture will penetrate the 27" to reach the bottom of your sandbed.

I can tell you that I had a tank that was just as tall and ran a dual 65w PC fixture and was able to grow mushrooms, zoo's, leathers, and macro's on the sand bed. If you want to go with PC's you could get a couple of 96w quad PC bulbs. They are about 18.8" long so would still fit in your canopy.

The difference in heat output between a good MH and a couple of 96w PC's is probably going o be pretty comparable IMO (just an opinion never measured the difference with a thermometer, . . . although i could, I do have both running :D)

How's that for decisive. :D

I don't think that the MH's will be to bright for seahorses. Seahorses are often found in very shallow waters. The brightness from your MH's is not going to compare with the brightness of the sun in htat shallow of water IMO. They seem to do fine in nature.

On the temp issue, lower temperatures are used to help control bacteria mainly, not parasites. While I'm all for having a clean tank and a good cleanup crew it will not help the control of the bacteria.

The majority of seahorses carry bacteria internally so it is not something that can be kept out of a system. This bacteria is called vibrio, and there are several different strains that seahorses carry. These bacteria's are managable and non aggresive at lower temperatures. At higher temps they become far more virtulent and begin to excreet entirely different proteins. The bacteria at these temps not only gorws and reproduces significantly faster but is alos much more likely to cause disease. In the ocean there is the dillution factor, in ou tanks, not really practical. Labratory test have shwon that the bacteria's most likely to cause diseases in seahorses growth rate and aggresiveness is substantially less at temps of 74F or below.

Many keepers choose to keep there tanks at higher temps. There are many cases where this has shown to be just fine. Personally I choose to go for lower temps because IMO it is safer for the seahorse and makes my life easier. Treating a sick fish sucks. I've had pretty good luck doing this, not many people around have kept WC's as long as me.

If you want to read more about the temp disease thing there is a book with a chapter written by Dr. Belli called, "Working Notes". There are also chapters from Marc Lamont, Pete Giwonja, Clare Driscoll, about various other seahorse disease related topics. It's a good book and something I would suggest you pick up.

Good Luck and HTH
 
From SH.org:
"Flesh-Erosion Disease
Causes/Problems
Raging bacterial infections such as those associated with the consumption of seahorse flesh are spread through contamination of uninfected seahorses with infected seahorses. Often the causative agent, the bacterial genus Vibrio in most cases of flesh erosion, will lay dormant unless given the opportunity to become active. This opportunity usually coincides with a deterioration of water quality. With proper quarantine and treatment, however, this disease can be avoided altogether."

There are several more disease profiles listed there and I did not see temp listed as a prevention or cure. Not to be argumentative, I just want to be sure folks realize that seahorses are not swimming bacteria/parasite factories if they are housed above the 74 degree mark. Especially if the seahorses are captive bred and not wild caught and the tank is kept healthy.
Since Dr Belli is a member of administration at SH.org, I thought this would be a good source.

We mere keepers are certainly slaves to the information we read. Not all of it agrees.
I have kept seahorses for quite some time, from the time when you could not avoid the purchase of Wild Caught. I've been through the subsequent period when you literally could not buy one at all (at least in Oregon), because they were endangered.
And we have arrived at a place where you can now contact a farm to find a seahorse. A much healthier, easier to feed, longer lived animal, if kept in a healthy, consistantly clean and stable (no parameter swings) environment.
 
Poniegirl,

You'll notice on the top of the article you quoted from that it was not written by the Good Doc, and has an expiration date that has passed. Many of the articles on the site need to be revamped and the process of rewriting many of the articles is under way. The article you quoted from was written by a high school student. It was a great piece of work for what was known at the time, but enlight of new research, mainly done by the Doc, we now know more. One of the fun parts of this hobby is how it is continually changing.

If you follow the disease forum or the Emergency forum you will find more current info, and notice a trend with higher temps and seahorse illnesses. You might also notice one of the first direction of treating seahorses with vibrio is to put them in a hospital tank and drop the temp to below 69F.

I don't think it is fair to hold Marty accountable for all the info posted on the org, especially those posts or articles he did not author. If you read the book he co authored you can get the benefit from his direct research. He's a busy guy, he can't do everything.

I too was keeping seahorses back when all that was available was WC's. Back when everyone thought they had to be kept in horse only tanks and brine shrimp was the only adaquete food source. Things change. It is exciting.

Many keepers choose to keep there tanks at higher temps. There are many cases where this has shown to be just fine. Personally I choose to go for lower temps because IMO it is safer for the seahorse and makes my life easier. Treating a sick fish sucks.

JMO
 
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