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Dizzle63

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Hello! I have been reefing for around 10 years and recently decided to go with mostly sps after my softy/lps tank crash. After reading about and viewing all of the beautiful tanks that are in this forum, I decided to ask all of you about my tank. My system is as follows:

75 gallon tank with single corner overflow
2 radion gen-2's running at 65% under radiant color program for 9 hours ramping to full intensity for 6 hours
30 gallon sump with Reef Octopus 150 Super Space Saver skimmer
Return pump is a Sicce that has two returns over the back of the tank through U-tubes putting out roughly 600gph
Flow is one xf230 and one xf130 on opposite ends of tank set to lunar tidal cycle set at 70% max
3L of 15 mm siporax placed in the mesh bags they came in in the skimmer section of the sump for last two months
Algae turf scrubber fed by 400 maxijet that is a gravity fed tray lit by led grow light for 18 hours on a reverse light cycle which has been up for 3 weeks
5" sand bed that is approximately a year old
Carbon and gfo run passively in bags in the sump.
Water changes done with RO/DI water and Aquavitro Salinity. 18 gallon changes done every two weeks.

The tank has been up in various forms for 7 years. It has been moved 3 times and the sand bed changed every time with new tropic eden sand. It has roughly 60 lbs of rock. 10 months ago, a heater malfunction killed most corals except for some zoas and some leathers with various lps. 6 months ago, a refractometer issue (my fault) killed off most of the rest of the corals as well as most of my fish. I decided to completely overhaul the tank and it really cleaned up. Minimal algae but aiptasia popped up. I added some zoas and a couple of test sps pieces, mostly browned out pieces from a local stores cheap section. Now, I have over 30 pieces that are all colorful but with little to no growth. Browned pieces will color up but not grow. I think I know why, but I want to check. Parameters are as follows:

Salinity: 1.026
Ammonia: 0
NO2: 0
NO3: 25
Calcium: 450
Magnesium: 1250
Alk: 7.3-8.0
PO4: 0.75

All parameters checked by Salifert kits except for PO4 which is Elos. Alkalinity and calcium dosed using aquacraft powdered components, but very little needs to be dosed due to water changes and little growth.

I'll admit, I feed a lot! I have 11 fish and two sea apples as well as a pink filter feeding cucumber. Fish are as follows:

3 eightline flasher wrasses
2 Darwin clowns
Purple firefish
Yellow assessor
Forktail blenny
Target mandarin
2 dragon faced pipefish

Feedings a day are:

Cube of hikari mysis
Reef nutrition shellfish diet, roe, oyster feast, rotifeast, beta brine
Polyp lab polyp booster 1 ml
Rotation of reef chili, reef roids, benereef, and gonipower


I have over 50 aiptasia but no visible algae besides what grows on the scrubber and some bubble algae. I have very little detritus. I do vacuum the sump once a month to make sure I don't accumulate detritus. Two weeks ago, I started prodibio by dosing biooptim and biodigest.

My thoughts on this tank are that the phosphates are limiting calcification and that that is why the corals aren't growing. I want a robust ecosystem and that is why I am trying for many different forms of filtration and feeding many types of foods. I added a red algae pack from gulf coast ecosystems to provide area for pod growth and for some nutrient uptake 1 month ago. Some has died but some is doing well.

I think that I am being a little impatient with my biological filtration and that it hasn't caught up with the bioload I am pushing through the system.

Sorry for the longwindedness and the rambling, but I wanted to check and see if everyone thought that the phosphates were the issue or if the sps are being inhibited allelopathically by the algae or the aiptasia?

Thank you so much for the time it takes to read this!

Doug
 
phosphates are definitely high for an SPS tank. Usually 0.03 area is good. Are the corals not very bright colored as well? With such high phosphate I would suspect that you would not see a lot of color as well.
 
Colors are actually good and most corals continue to color-up in my tank. Polyp extension is also good. I guess I should have explained a bit more. I know the the general guidelines needs of sps (high flow, good lighting, some nutrients in the water but not at my levels, stability). I know I'm shooting for NO3 of 5-10 and PO4 of 0.03 or so. I am just confused at the ability of my tank to color sps (not to the levels of tanks here, but certainly not brown either) and yet not use any alk or calcium. Am I just not being patient?
 
Your photoperiod sounds a little short at nine hours. Try 10-12 hours. Six hours at max intensity sounds about right...but I run my T5's at max intensity for 11 hours and get amazing growth. Hard to say.

Do you reduce flow at night? If so, stop doing that.

What is your alkalinity consumption in a day? Calcium consumption in a day? My moderately stocked 20L will drop from 8 dkh to 6.5 dkh in one day if I don't replenish it. Also recognize that this can change as the corals grow.

I personally don't like sandbeds, because they produce too much extraneous variability. Is it filtering? Is it a nutrient sink? When does it go "bad"? They can retain a lot of detritus that you didn't even know existed. Think about going bare bottom if you are serious about SPS.

I like natural/biological filtration too--I don't run a skimmer on my SPS tank. You may have too many fish, though.
 
Your Mg levels are low, should be around 1350. Yes, reduce nitrates and phosphates. Seems like a lot of food to me?
 
Your photoperiod sounds a little short at nine hours. Try 10-12 hours. Six hours at max intensity sounds about right...but I run my T5's at max intensity for 11 hours and get amazing growth. Hard to say.

Do you reduce flow at night? If so, stop doing that.

What is your alkalinity consumption in a day? Calcium consumption in a day? My moderately stocked 20L will drop from 8 dkh to 6.5 dkh in one day if I don't replenish it. Also recognize that this can change as the corals grow.

I personally don't like sandbeds, because they produce too much extraneous variability. Is it filtering? Is it a nutrient sink? When does it go "bad"? They can retain a lot of detritus that you didn't even know existed. Think about going bare bottom if you are serious about SPS.

I like natural/biological filtration too--I don't run a skimmer on my SPS tank. You may have too many fish, though.

I do not suspend flow at night. The gyres are on a 24 hour cycle where they alternate flow called the lunar tidal cycle on the new gyres.

The sand was originally meant to house jawfish and tube anemones when the tank was all softies and lps. I don't like bare bottom, but have been trying to shallow the sand bed by removing a couple of cups weekly. It will be a slow process.
 
Your Mg levels are low, should be around 1350. Yes, reduce nitrates and phosphates. Seems like a lot of food to me?

I do feed a lot. I have 3 filter feeding cucumbers (2 sea apples and a pinky and yellow cucumber) as well as flasher wrasses. The wrasses do better with smaller, frequent feedings. It also allows me to keep a large population of pods in the tank for the mandarin and the pipefish.
 
Pictures would help a lot! You never know what someone will spot.

I'm sorry, I missed that you are using an algae turf scrubber, that should more than handle the fish load.

Phosphates do sound a little high, but I've personally seen good growth at higher levels. Personal anecdotes aren't worth much, though. Are you using old rock that may be leaching phosphates?

At this point, it sounds like you are doing everything right. Your testing and maintenance regime seems correct. Perhaps you should suspect your testing equipment.

I'm a big fan of Salifert test kits, but try getting some new kits. Consider buying two test kits of the same brand, and a third test kit of a different brand. Test them all back to back. I would do this with alkalinity, since it seems to vary the most from day to day in healthy systems. If they all test the same, great. At worst, they are all inaccurate together, lol.

Maybe a Triton test for heavy metals and such?

Good luck!
 
Pictures would help a lot! You never know what someone will spot.

I'm sorry, I missed that you are using an algae turf scrubber, that should more than handle the fish load.

Phosphates do sound a little high, but I've personally seen good growth at higher levels. Personal anecdotes aren't worth much, though. Are you using old rock that may be leaching phosphates?

At this point, it sounds like you are doing everything right. Your testing and maintenance regime seems correct. Perhaps you should suspect your testing equipment.

I'm a big fan of Salifert test kits, but try getting some new kits. Consider buying two test kits of the same brand, and a third test kit of a different brand. Test them all back to back. I would do this with alkalinity, since it seems to vary the most from day to day in healthy systems. If they all test the same, great. At worst, they are all inaccurate together, lol.

Maybe a Triton test for heavy metals and such?

Good luck!

Thanks for the response! I just tested water again and phosphates and nitrates remain at 0.75 and 25-50 respectively. However, I am starting to drop one unit of dkh daily and I have noticed visible growth and better color on most sps corals. As of now, I just added my third dose of biodigest. 3 liters of siporax has been in the tank now for around 75 days. Turf scrubber has been running for six weeks.

I have nopox sitting on the shelf, but I am hesitant to use it until the other forms of filtration kick in. Thoughts? Everyone have an awesome day!

Doug
 
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