More Obnxious Newb Questions lol

barbouri02

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Howdy Ya'll!!

I am new to this forum and even greener when it comes to reef tanks.

I've had at least 6 years or so (maybe more, time sure flies) in marine tanks (even LONGER in FW), however I kept ONLY seahorses and tried my hand at raising them. I do have future plans for a seahorse system which I hope to have running up around the same time as our "reef" system goes. The seahorse system's I used to keep ran well with cansiter filters and yes, the maintenence sucks, but I found the flow was optimal (IMO). And boy were my SH's prolific!!! lol They will have a rena filstar 2, hang on tank skimmer, regular NO lights, and thats about it except for hitching posts and perhaps a macro or two. Maybe a tiny bit of dry rock (I know about the phos associated with such rock and will take precautions), some branchy stuff or the like.

The potential reef is going to be in standard 55 gallon tank. We plan to run sump filtration on it with Skimmer and hang on overflow box. We are not wanting to drill the tank so any helpful direction you can point us towards a fail safe hang on overflow box would be greatly appreciated as we have frequent 30 sec-5 min power outages in my area!! The sump is custom built per the area we have under the tank and is aprox 18 gallons, with refugium. Another thing I've NO experience with, but it seems easy enough to research here and provides lots of benefitial options. On the tank we have a Tek 5 HO (T-5's) a four bulb system. It currently has mostly actinic blubs (we purchased it used) but may or may not change them right now as they are nearly new and have plenty of life left.

Now the 55 we hope to have LR/LS/dry rock/fish (appropriate for the tank size)/and few corals. We are attracted to mostly the soft bodied and zoo type colors. Many LFS's have said the lighting we have would easily support 90% of corals in the industry, save the intense needs of clams and hard stuff like acropra.

We do have an RO/DI unit and will be getting new membranes for it soon, the ones I have are only starting to read minimal on the TDS <2.

Let me know if these ideas are on track or where I need to adjust etc. And I HAVE read the newbie threads lol, nearly all of them and am still working on reading those wonderfully put together articles.

Also - for the questions. The reef tank -

Being that the tank will not be drilled - what is the best fail safe (we experience short power loss frequently and work ALL day, a backup power source is an option I plan to explore but what are some of the other mods or things you can buy to accomplish this?) HOB Overflow around? Im truly ignorant when it comes to filtration beyond canisters, so pointing me in the right direction or if you run/would run a system similar to me what would you suggest? See question below too. I saw some safety measures listed in the newb threads like the two holes drilled in the bottom of the return tube, and I've also seen on the top of the U tubes airline tubing connected to a pump I cannot locate to see how this works to save my life (airlifter?). Can someone point me to it and explain EXACTLY where a pump like that would reside if connected to the utube?

Return pumps - our goal is a 8-10 turnover (as was recommended by nearly ALL the coral LFS, and we are fortunatate to have quite a few). Our head height will be aprox 3 ft, the tank 55 gallons, and the sump capable of 18 or so gallons (I know the actual amount of water depending on rock and sump level will still be a rough estimate but thats what we're looking at). What in your opinions are good pumps? Price is of course a concern so if we can get a good performing pump for less then we'd likely go that route unless we are told ONLY xyz would be best and we'll just have to save up lol.

I've seen flow rate and turn over mentioned a couple times and Im just not grasping the concept of flow rate. I search and search all of these things, so please dont think me lazy, I just might take a bit longer to catch on to these reef tank specifics. So I *think* flow rate would have more to do with the motion in the tank rather than the turn over rate since the overflow is skimming the waters top essentially right? So the need of powerheads of some sort to move the water around below the surface is necessary. What would one suggest for our 55 (standard tank 48" long), a couple, and what brands as I've been looking around online and while I see the stuff available, I dont actually understand what I'll need.

"Cooking" dry rock. Now, I've never done this, and I've seen this asked before and most times the response is search it, you'll find what cooking means. I've searched and what comes up is either people who know the process and are mentioning it but not HOW to do it, people asking what cooking is to be told to go search (and I have), or really vauge explanations. I think I gather it has to do with letting dry rock sit in a tub of SW with no light. Is there a certain temp? Are there powerheads to move water around? How long I assume is until they stop leaching. Are you doing water changes? If so how often? Perhaps "cooking" should be a sticky so one can be directed directly to the how-to's. lol

Gosh, well I guess thats enough for now. I sure hope someone can help me. I feel totally comfortable with my planned SH tank, but the reef.....sump....overflow box.... TERRIFIED.
 
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Any specific reasons why you don't want to drill the tank? I don't know that I'd trust any HOB overflow to be failsafe.
 
Well, Im not very DYI savvy and my BF isn't confident in drilling glass. We haven't really looked into many places that will do glass drilling either.

Im sure the best bet is to go drilled, but working with what we have is there no HOB style overflows that are more reliable than others? I've seen a few that have gotten decent reviews but I wanted to see what others used who were using the HOB style.
 
Can't argue with those reasons for not wanting to do it yourself.

I'd look into places that will drill for you, or pre-drilled if you don't already have a tank on the way. The cost difference between paying someone to drill and buying a good HOB overflow could be minimal. Or maybe it won't be. Won't know until you check!
 
Well I have asked this question before & the only response I get is that pre-drilled is better, but no solid reasons why, yes, it's a cleaner look & the overflows are a little less intrusive, space wise, but other than that, I don't see a difference. I run an Eshopps HOB overflow box & have for 15 years, I have never had any problems whatsoever. There are cons to the pre-drilled side that never get discussed like the intricate plumbing details that often lead to leaks that need tending to. I think it's a matter of preference & how skilled you are at DIY.
 
i have 2 life reef overflows and have not had either of them break siphen.

i guess they would be one of the higher rated ones
 
I use the Eshopps overflow on my tank. I could not bring myself to try and drill the tank myself... lol... It's a siphon type overflow and work better that the continuous vacuum type of overflows, the ones with the pump connected to it...

I have been using mine since February with no problems and it always restarts after the power has been off.
 
8-10 times turnover is great, but I think you'll have issues getting the flow everywhere in the tank if your only way of moving water is going to be the return lines. You'll probably want to look into a powerhead of some sort
 
Sporto and Benson are right-- I have an Eshopps overflow and it won't break siphon if the power goes out. It will start right back up once the power returns. I drove myself nuts with the same dilemma that you are in about being concerned about an outage until I saw the Eshopps Overflow work at That Pet Place. It's an ingenious design and dependable. So simple, yet such a great solution.

You don't have to stop with the Eshopps Overflow. They make REALLY afordable Sump/Overflow combos that comes with everything you need, but pump. Give 'em a look.
 
i have 2 life reef overflows and have not had either of them break siphen.

i guess they would be one of the higher rated ones

My brother had one of these as well. It failed maybe 1 or 2 time in god knows how many power outtages (several dozen). My parent's house (where the tank was setup) loses power at least once a month, usually for very short spans of time. The grid they're on sucks.
 
Well I have asked this question before & the only response I get is that pre-drilled is better, but no solid reasons why

It's the flood risk when you loose siphon. Yes, there are HOB overflows that claim to be 100% flood-proof, but that's just not a claim I trust.

The plumbing on a drilled tank doesn't need to be complex at all, and can be a far more simple set-up than even the most basic HOB overflow.
 
All of the answers provided thus far are greatly appreciated. I think we'll do both, look into a place that does drill glass (we are working with what I already had laying around, 55 Gallon, Stand, RO/DI, etc so I wanted to do that without putting permanent holes in the tank) and check prices. I hear the predrilled are still not fail safe so either way. :wildone:

Can anyone provide comment on my other questions? Thanks sooo very much for ya'lls help. :)

Return pumps - our goal is a 8-10 turnover (as was recommended by nearly ALL the coral LFS, and we are fortunatate to have quite a few). Our head height will be aprox 3 ft, the tank 55 gallons, and the sump capable of 18 or so gallons (I know the actual amount of water depending on rock and sump level will still be a rough estimate but thats what we're looking at). What in your opinions are good pumps? Price is of course a concern so if we can get a good performing pump for less then we'd likely go that route unless we are told ONLY xyz would be best and we'll just have to save up lol.

I've seen flow rate and turn over mentioned a couple times and Im just not grasping the concept of flow rate. I search and search all of these things, so please dont think me lazy, I just might take a bit longer to catch on to these reef tank specifics. So I *think* flow rate would have more to do with the motion in the tank rather than the turn over rate since the overflow is skimming the waters top essentially right? So the need of powerheads of some sort to move the water around below the surface is necessary. What would one suggest for our 55 (standard tank 48" long), a couple, and what brands as I've been looking around online and while I see the stuff available, I dont actually understand what I'll need.

"Cooking" dry rock. Now, I've never done this, and I've seen this asked before and most times the response is search it, you'll find what cooking means. I've searched and what comes up is either people who know the process and are mentioning it but not HOW to do it, people asking what cooking is to be told to go search (and I have), or really vauge explanations. I think I gather it has to do with letting dry rock sit in a tub of SW with no light. Is there a certain temp? Are there powerheads to move water around? How long I assume is until they stop leaching. Are you doing water changes? If so how often? Perhaps "cooking" should be a sticky so one can be directed directly to the how-to's. lol

Gosh, well I guess thats enough for now. I sure hope someone can help me. I feel totally comfortable with my planned SH tank, but the reef.....sump....overflow box.... TERRIFIED.
 
If you're not adding dry rock to an established system I don't think you need to cook it. You cook it to get all the dead debris out of the nooks and crannies. And you seem to have the definition down for "cooking" but I don't think it has to be done in the dark and with dry rock I'm not sure you'd need heat either. I think heat would only come into play if it were live rock and you were trying to keep the hitchhikers alive.
 
I understand the live rock dipping to rid it of baddies, as well as the curing of LR. But I've read that dry rock (which I used exclusively with SH's because of their sensitive nature) leaches Phos into the water. If that is the case (and I didn't test for phos with SH's) it would certainly explain one of the reasons my systems did battle algae in the beginning when dry rock was used.
 
I have a Mag 7 for my return on a 40 gallon breeder, at head height(3-4) its a little less than 500 GPH, and a couple Koralia 750 GPH power heads and to me I have good water movement
 
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