My Ozone Nightmare

spyro

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I have approsimately 500 gallons of total water volume in my system. My display tank is 300 gallons, frag tank is 30 gallons and refugium is 50 gallons, sump is 100 gallons.

I few weeks ago I purchased a Sander 200 mg/hr ozone generator and built a DIY ozone reactor. I ran the generator off of my Octopus 3000 controller via X10 that turns off both the air pump and the generator. I never reached the preset 350 mV set in my controller. I was running my ozone generator 24/7 at full strength, assuming that my controller would preclude a need to manually turn the generator off or adjust the output down to a lower level.

At first everything was great! My water quality improved dramatically, the hair algae and red cotton candy algae dissappeared and the corals colored up and all looked healthier than ever. During the first week or so I also reduced my photoperiod and moved my MH lamps from 6 inches above the tank to around 18 inches from the top of the tank.

Then around the end of the first week I noticed a little bleaching on one of my acros. So I further reduced the photoperiod and actually stopped running the 2 400 Watt MH bulbs and only ran the remaining 4 250 Watt bulbs. The bleaching continued and I got worried so I then began wondering if something else other than light was the culprit.

About day 8 I decided to clean and recalibrate my ORP probe (NOTE that this was done before ozone was introduced at the beginning of this journey). The ORP probe calibrated succesfully and I placed it back in the tank. The acros continued to bleach so I cleaned the probe again and calibrated it two days later. I also turned down the ozone to half of the max.. It was still tough to get the ORP to stay over 300 mV.

When I found that my acros continued to bleach, on day 11-12 I shut off the ozone generator completely. Then I looked a little more closely at my ORP probe and found that I could verify its performance using the calibration fluids (pH 4 and pH 7 mixed with Quinhydrone) The ORP for the pH 7 and pH 4 solutions were measured to be 340 and 356 respectively as opposed to the correct values of 86 and 263 mv.

My probe was bad even though it calibrated ok. I figured that my controller was not being shut off and that the ORP must have gone through the roof.....but never validated this to be the case.

Now, about 2 weeks later with a new calibrated ORP probe and no ozone, the ORP is around 350 mV at night and 330 mv during the day. My acros continue to bleach and no algae or cyano is growing. I do not even get green algae on the front of my tank. that previously had to be cleaned every 2 days. I figured that my tank is nutrient starved, so I measured the Phosphate level and got .03 ppm which means that there are nutrients in the water, right?

Meanwhile the acros continue to bleach, the LPS are ok, the Heteractis is fine, the Haddoni is fine, the clams are happy, and the fish have not shown any ill effects.

Any theories on why the acros continue to bleach or how to mitigate teh bleaching would be appreciated. Also, suggestion regarding any other parameters that I could measure to determine weather or not my tank is nutrient starved would be welcome. Any other sugestion would also be gladly appreciated.
 
Spyro that sucks man. Only advice i could give you is to keep water params in the norm and STABLE. Do not make any changes to the system for a while. Let the acros recover.
Best of luck.
 
I seriously doubt it's directly from the ozone. The fish's gills would go LONG before invert tissue.

Bleaching from excessive light penetration is certainly a possibility.

John
 
How is your pH over a 24 hour period?

Do you drip Kalk?

Difficult issue to deal with...keep us posted...
 
ozone

ozone

Yes, I was sondering about that myself....why just the acros and not other organisms affected? Maybe the initial strong lighting is what kicked off the sps bleachin episode?

So, fish gills would be more sensitive to the ozone than the SPS tissue? Why would this be the case? - Thanks for your insights!


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6664748#post6664748 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by drtango
I seriously doubt it's directly from the ozone. The fish's gills would go LONG before invert tissue.

Bleaching from excessive light penetration is certainly a possibility.

John
 
pH

pH

pH = 8 to 8.3
temp = 78 deg +/- 1 degree
Calcium = 425
KH = 11 dkH
Magnesium = 1250 ( a little low, no?)
PO4 = .03

Lighting has been dramatically reduced. System has been operating skimmerless for a week to avoid more nutrient stripping from the water.

The reason I suspect nutrient stripping is there is no algae growing, not even on the fron glass, EVEN WITHOUT A SKIMMER! Previously, pre-ozone, I had to clean the glass every other day to se inside the tank. I think the nutrient stripping and the initial increased lighting (due to clearer water) is what kicke this whole thing off.

Please continue posting comments, theories, suggestions, etc.
Thanks to all!
QUOTE]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6665016#post6665016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PITSTOP
How is your pH over a 24 hour period?

Do you drip Kalk?

Difficult is sue to deal with...keep us posted...
[/QUOTE]
 
Oh I forgot to answer the kalk question. No I oo not drip kalk. I used to drip it before I added the large 100 gallon sump in the garage. Now, my pH is pretty steady 8.0 - 8.1 AM and 8.2 - 8.3 PM.
 
i doubt it's a low-nutrient issue.

my guess would be that the ozone caused a dramatic increase in water clarity, which caused an excess of light and bleaching.

the effects of bleaching take a while to expose themselves. while you have probably fixed the problem, the symptoms are nearing completion. just stick to what you're doing and hopefully they'll make a good recovery.
 
Is all the bleaching on the sides facing the lamps? Any from base up or under side first?
 
Bleaching

Bleaching

Bleaching is top down.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6668296#post6668296 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by easttn
Is all the bleaching on the sides facing the lamps? Any from base up or under side first?
 
It's worse than I thought. It is not bleaching but instead it is RTN....one colony totally gone.
 
The only thing I can offer is to run some fresh GAC. As I recall, a product of ozonation is bromine bleach and frequent GAC replacement is recommended to absorb it. So sorry.
 
I've read that you need to slowly increase the ozone as it can shock the system hard and fast. I'm wondering if you made such a fast change to the system, that your sps just took a turn for the worse. Also like mentioned below, the amount of light hitting the corals now is much greater. Between the two, it's possible it started STN/RTN and IME once it starts, it is somewhat difficult to contain. Start fragging is the advice I can give. I'd continue running the ozone but at a much lower rate.
 
it's probably that you were running it full blast, I've got a similar 5-600 gallon system, and I run mine at 50mg/hr daily, even at 100mg/hr I can smell it through my skimmer, which I took to mean that it was too much, even a little bit of ozone goes a long way, and in a large system it's still important not to have residual ozone pouring out of the skimmer
 
actually, it's hard to tell from your story, were you even running ozone into your skimmer, or just directly into your main system?
 
how old are your metal halide lamps and what brand are they? coralvue have done this in my past and old radiums have done this also. old radiums on electronic ballasts = 5-6 months in some cases. maybe longer on pulse start ballasts. seriously doubt ozone effects would be felt longer than a few days after shutting it off. you were running 400's plus 250's then turned off the 400's and moved all lights further away. as far as you moved them away you cut the light down to approximately 35-45% of the original light from the 250's alone alot less when you subtract the 400's also. no way is it too much light but possibly the wrong kind of light once the bulbs start to shift. riding it out like some people mention in my personal experience is the worst deadliest move you can make.
 
I would also not think shutting down your skimmer is ever a good idea especially having high phosphates you will only add to this problem which may not be a problem yet but can quickly turn into one. once the organics are turned into inorganic your skimmer won't pull it out ever.
 
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