need advice, so frustrating

sil40sx

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Im sitting here in front of my tank pulling my hair out. I dont know what else to do. Please bear with my long post. LOL

My fish are healthy and happy as ever, and softies are growing. My problem is I cant keep a SPS alive. My birdsnest was doing great initially, as you can see in the picture below, it grew tremendously in just 4 months. Thats why I thought Im ready for the next level and bought a digitata frag. Unfortunately it bleached after two weeks. And at the same time, my birdsnest started to RTN or STN (started couple days ago, see second picture). Ugh.

Here's my set up and schedule:
I have a 25g IM lagoon, under one AI prime. Turns on at 2pm to ramp up 100% at 5pm till 10pm, then ramps down to off at 11pm. Jebao WP10 for powerhead. Im using stock return pump and two felt socks (wash once a week), IM ghost desktop skimmer, and IM minimax media reactor with BRS GFO and BRS Carbon ROX wich I replace once a month. I was planning on getting a Radion xr30 (or adding AI prime), but I held off because of the issue I am having. Anyways, I feed my fish a pinch of Hikari seaweed pellets and NLS twice a day, and a pinch of reef caviar every night. Then 2-3 x week with meaty foods like PE mysis and Rods food alternately (corals are getting some too), and reef roids 2-3 times a week. 3 gallons WC once a week. Using RODI (0 TDS) and Red Sea Coral Pro for salt mix. I dont have cyano or diatom (maybe behind the rocks that I cannot see), or on the sand thats barely noticeable.

When I'm trying to search online, it keeps popping out that it could be from Alkalinity swing, but see my water parameters below:

Salinity - 0.25 refractometer
Temp 79-80
Ammonia - 0 API
Nitrate - 0 API
Ph - 7.8 - 8.0 API
Calcium - 445 - 450 Hanna
Alkalinity - 7.44 @ 10am / 7.50 @10pm Hanna
Po4 - 0.04 - 0.06 Hanna
Magnesium - dont have test kit (do I need one if the rest are stable?)

The only thing I dose is Kent Liquid Calcium. I mixed 0.5ml (1/2ml) on 1g ATO which get consumed within 3 days. My Ca hovers from 445-455 every time I test. I dont add the calcium on my ATO after a water change though, I use plain RODI.

Thats pretty much it. If anyone have a suggestion or question, please feel free to chime in. I'm really frustrated :(

Thanks!



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Sps need stable parameters. When I dialed in my doser I would adjust dosing wait a day..then test every hour the whole day. Then I would make slight dosing adjustments depending on the readings. Also remember the amount of elements that are being used increase when the coral grows. Not saying by allot..but they do increase.

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Small alk and cal swing should be fine , I never have issues .IMO as long they're within range.. I had the same problem few months back, first thing I'd check was alk.. end up being p04.. po4 reactor pump went out.. p04 went from 0 to about 25 ppm within a week. It cause most of my sps to STN. Start by double checking parameters and equipments, and think about what have you change in the pass few weeks.. it can be anything
 
Small alk and cal swing should be fine , I never have issues .IMO as long they're within range.. I had the same problem few months back, first thing I'd check was alk.. end up being p04.. po4 reactor pump went out.. p04 went from 0 to about 25 ppm within a week. It cause most of my sps to STN. Start by double checking parameters and equipments, and think about what have you change in the pass few weeks.. it can be anything

Ok, I'm glad my swings aren't bad.

My po4 looks ok, based on my understanding. Sometimes its 0.04, some other times, up to 0.06. I figured when my socks are dirty, and/or after feeding mysis/rods food.
 
If you do raise your Alk, and I personally don't think it's low or you need to, do it slow. IMO, zoas tell you when your Alk is swinging bc they don't like it and close up. Your ph is a little low but can't tell you if that's the reason. What's your fish list and what inverts do you have in there?
 
If you do raise your Alk, and I personally don't think it's low or you need to, do it slow. IMO, zoas tell you when your Alk is swinging bc they don't like it and close up. Your ph is a little low but can't tell you if that's the reason. What's your fish list and what inverts do you have in there?

2 small clown fish, 1 blue chromis, 1 six line and a yellow anthias. Cuc are 1 turbo, 3 hermit crabs, 1 fire shrimp, and 2 snails (I forgot the name).
 
As Loc pointed out bring the Alk up to a 9 -9.3 and it should help. Also try to test your Mg since you want to make sure its helping the Alk and Calc bond. Keep us updated with the progress.
 
Im still undecided which Alk supplement to use.

I dont want to mess up my calcium, it is really stable right now on 450ish daily,.
 
Im still undecided which Alk supplement to use.

I dont want to mess up my calcium, it is really stable right now on 450ish daily,.

Just use baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) BRS has a calculator for it.

I hear you on the SPS, I am having a similar problem. That growth you showed for two weeks is crazy though.
 
The first picture was 4 months of growth, then the second picture is 2 weeks since the necrosis start to show up.

I'll try reading about baking soda, thanks!
 
Alk is not low for low nutrient system. Feed it a bit more to raise the nitrates a bit.

You mean, feed the fish more?

I have 5 fish in a 25, and as you can see from my initial post, I already feed a lot. Do you suggest feed more (the fish will love it. Hehehe)?

Thanks!
 
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