Need some help with Six Line Wrasse

[biglurr54]

I think my tank is headed for total wipe out. My clown who appeared to be perfectly healthy decided to go carpet surfing last night. He was found on the floor this morning. I blame Sandy! My Six Line had two spots on its body so I fed him some food with garlic. Today he it in much worse shape. There are many more spots and fin rot. My peppermint shrimp have seemed to disappear as well.

1. How old is this aquarium? 2 Months

2. If less than six months old, what is ammonia level?0 to 0.25

3. What is SG of this aquarium? How measured?1.024 hydrometer

4. When was the last fish added to this aquarium?One week ago. True Perc Clown

5. Was it quarantined? If so, how? And how long? Was it prophylactically treated? How?No QT. LFS tanks treated

The six line is acting normal and and eating fine.

What is wrong with him and what can I do to fix it.

 

[biglurr54]

 

[spieszak]

i really don't know what it is, but the picture almost looks like flatworms.. I don't have any idea if there are flatworms that will affect fish though, and I've never heard of it. Consider my answer more a free bump to the top than anything else....

 

[biglurr54]

in the last 2 and half hours I was away from my tank the wrasses tail has going from 75% there to about 25% there. Could something be attacking it and the white spots or scabs or something? What could be attacking it? there is next to nothing left in the tank except for hermits, coral, live rock, and that's it! At this rate I don't think the wrasse will recover.

 

[biglurr54]

Could there be a hitch hiker that is in the rock. Could explain why the clown decided to carpet surf over staying in the tank.

 

[biglurr54]

Well things declined greatly. The wrasse is in another world now. After a few mins he was found belly perched in between the auto top off upside down. I pulled the fish out and began to examine the spots. They started to fall off onto the paper towel the fish was in. soon all the spots were gone and the fish looked normal minus the missing tail fin. I examined the spots and they are weird little things. They look like copepods almost. Could my copepods be attacking my livestock? Now what should I do? the tank has no fish left. Just corals, snails, hermits, and a hitch hiker crab.

 

[biglurr54]

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[MrTuskfish]

Any fish can, and will, jump. But stressors can make it more likely. Some are just more likely than others. I can't tell much from the pics, it looks like possibly a type of flatworm,lympho ( a harmless virus) or some kind of isopod.You can remove isopods with a tweezers. However, nothing I've named should kill the wrasse, he looks very beat up. Your suggestion of a hitchhiker is possible; Use a flashlight well after tank& room lights have been off a while, to snoop around. The hitchhiker crab could be a problem, depends on the type of crab.

Garlic does nothing to help with fish diseases or parasites. Garlic MAY help with appetite and MAY help improve the fish's immune system; but any benefit is long-term and garlic won't be of any help now. Personally, I don't think garlic does much of anything, except give the hobbyist false hope while real treatment is delayed. Garlic has become a real mythical folk hero; said to cure anything.

I'd sure get a QT set up before buying new fish. NO LFS adequately quarantines fish and a QT/HT is absolutely necessary for success in this hobby. Also, a tank with livestock should never show any ammonia. I don't think your tank is completely cycled, something dead is hiding, or you don't have enough bio-filter media. (LR, substrate, filter media, etc.)
Have you lost more fish than these? You sound like more is going on and I'd wait a bit before adding anything. I really have no idea what to do with the wrasse (now, these fish are REAL jumpers). If the spots/wounds look like a small critter attached to the fish, I'd remove them manually. In the future,I think all fish should always be treated with Prazi-Pro, a wormer used primarily or flukes. Its a very safe med and the only med I'd ever use in a DT.

EDIT:
I was typing the above while playing with the dog, I didn't see your last pic or post. They are not common copepods, too big. I'm not very good with pictures, but these look like some type of isopod. Isopods don't usually travel in herds like this, when did you first notice them? Did the clown have any, he could have brought them in. This is exactly the type of thing that can be caught and treated in a QT, rather than risking everything in the DT. A FW dip could possibly show a lot more of these.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I just looked at your public profile to get tank size. If the 7 gal is home to the fish; I'm sure that's the ammonia problem. 7 gals. is WAY too small for a Percula clown or a Six-Line Wrasse, much less both of them plus some inverts. Maybe a small goby and a couple of snails or small hermits.

 

[biglurr54]

Well after research I found it is Cirolanids. I don't have a QT because it is one tank that I just started and its 7 gallons and on my deck at work. My employer would not be impressed if I turned my office into an aquarium store. With ugly tanks everywhere. I believe they came in on the rocks because i check the fish at the store to make sure nothing is on them. FW dips are cruel and stressful on the fish. I know it would knock off the bugs I have but if they were on the rocks after i dump the stressed fish into the tank they would attack it. Looks like I will be building my coral supply for the next three months while I let the little bugs die off.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Well after research I found it is Cirolanids. I don't have a QT because it is one tank that I just started and its 7 gallons and on my deck at work. My employer would not be impressed if I turned my office into an aquarium store. With ugly tanks everywhere. I believe they came in on the rocks because i check the fish at the store to make sure nothing is on them. FW dips are cruel and stressful on the fish. I know it would knock off the bugs I have but if they were on the rocks after i dump the stressed fish into the tank they would attack it. Looks like I will be building my coral supply for the next three months while I let the little bugs die off.

Not trying to be nasty; but a short FW dip isn't nearly as stressful as two very active fish living in 7 gallons of water; or the parasites that a FW dip can eliminate. Putting fish like these in a 7 gal tank is nothing short of being just plain inhumane. Checking fish at the store is no way to be sure they are free of parasites.

 

[fjck]

I don't see any stickies on proceedure from what you do from when the fish is brought home to the time it is released into the display tank. I have always done it like so many ( just bring home and throw in DT.) After getting educated on these fourms, how stupid have I been. Like your FD method? Do you do that to every fish before HT/Qt? How many min in the rodi? What all steps do you guys do in detail? Whay exactly do do you put in the HT/Qt for medicine? How long? This will be of the greatest help for me and my tank. I need a specific proceedure to follow. Thanks for all your help.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I'll admit that my comments on this thread would confuse anyone, me included. There are many routines for quarantining fish. Mine is more proactive than most. I treat all new fish with copper (this isn't for everyone) and Prazi-Pro, a very safe wormer that can even be used in a reef tank. I have done this for many years with great success. Many folks just acclimate new fish in a QT and only treat if symptoms of parasites/diseases are seen. Many people do use PP on all fish, though. I do not use dips as a part of my QT regimen. FW dips are helpful for flukes, providing temporary relief for fish infected with velvet, an a few other things. FW dips do nothing for ich.

I think new fish are much easier to acclimate in a QT, where they don't have to contend with bullies, competition, etc. Of course, I want to catch and eliminate any parasite/disease before it gets to my DT. I have almost 1,000 gals. of DT tank space; all on one system. A deadly parasite would be a disaster.

Although I'm a real nag when it comes to using a QT; your 7 gal tank may do just fine with just adding a healthy fish or two. There are very few fish that can thrive in such a small tank, though. Live Aquaria/Diver's Den has often has pairs of very small fish or symbiotic fish & shrimp pairs. These fish/shrimp pairs disappear quickly, this is a WYSIWYG section. I'd sign up for their daily offerings. The nano fish section of LA also has lots of possibilities for you.(http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/CatDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&count=24&s=nlh&r=&start=73&page_num=4)

Although DD quarantines and conditions all their fish quite well, they suggest you quarantine them too. However; with a 7 gal tank, I think you could add two tiny fish or a symbiotic pair without quarantine and have good chances of success. (I doubt any of the many hobbyists who prowl this forum section have ever heard me say that.) If a problem did come up. getting the fish out is easy and you won't infect a lot of fish.

Again, fish selection for tiny tanks is vital. Your six line is a hyper little fish and the clown just too big. You're pretty much limited to small, bottom dwelling, more sedentary fish. This is just my 2 cents; you may want to visit the nano tank section of our forum also. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=75