One or two more fish

[gareth.hubbarde]

Hey everyone, my tank is doing well, my current fish inhabitants are

Lawnmower blenny
Hi fin goby
Tiger pistol shrimp
Six line wrasse

I'm looking at adding one more fish and a shrimp. am after recommendations. Was going to get a royal gramma but have read bad things between it and the six line. Also that the wrasse may eat a shrimp I put in.
As it's father's day in the Uk this week be good for kids to get me something I want.

Your help is appreciated.


94litre kent marine bio reef
11kg live rock
4kg sand, 2kg as live.
200g rowaphos
100g carbon
100g purigen
Filter floss
1000 l/pH return pump
100w heater

1 Mexican turbo snail
2 turbo snails
2 red legged hermit crabs
1 blue legged hermit
2 nassarius snails
2 super nassarius

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[Cliving1]

Clownfish would work

 

[marleesan]

I would not get any more fish. You have a small tank and the wrasse will kill any new fish

 

[gareth.hubbarde]

Are they that aggressive? Would I be able to get l a shrimp or something like that instead of a fish? The goby, pistol shrimp and wrasse all went in at same time yesterday, so far they seem quite tolerant of each other.

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[marleesan]

six lines are very aggressive. They are safe with shrimp

 

[deputydawg88]

With the greatest of respect, as a someone new to the hobby, don't you think you should do some research on the livestock you put in the tank before you get it and introduce it?

 

[gareth.hubbarde]

With the greatest of respect, as a someone new to the hobby, don't you think you should do some research on the livestock you put in the tank before you get it and introduce it?

I did thank you, link attached.
http://absolutelyfish.com/top-ten-nano-reef-fish/

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[deputydawg88]

I did thank you, link attached.
http://absolutelyfish.com/top-ten-nano-reef-fish/

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But that's just a list of popular fish, it doesn't tell you any of their specific needs or whether they get along with each other in the same tank...

 

[Half Vaped]

I don't think you're overstocked. One or two additional fish should be fine. Your Six-Line Wrasse is still fairly small and being new to the tank, it shouldn't be TOO aggressive (yet).

Stick with smallish, tough fish. I think the Royal Gramma should be fine. Clowns will be fine. Maybe an Orchid Dottyback or a Banggai Cardinal should work out as well.

 

[Diana A]

your 24g is at its limit

 

[gareth.hubbarde]

I don't think you're overstocked. One or two additional fish should be fine. Your Six-Line Wrasse is still fairly small and being new to the tank, it shouldn't be TOO aggressive (yet).

Stick with smallish, tough fish. I think the Royal Gramma should be fine. Clowns will be fine. Maybe an Orchid Dottyback or a Banggai Cardinal should work out as well.

Thanks for your reply bit more helpful than plain criticism.

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[j.falk]

Thanks for your reply bit more helpful than plain criticism.

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He wasn't criticizing you...he was telling you to use a commonsense approach when adding your livestock. Doing your research on adult size, feeding requirements and compatibility with potential tankmates will save you a lot of headache down the road. In fact, I was just reading on here the other day where someone put a sixline wrasse in their aquarium and it went through and killed almost everything they had.

 

[gareth.hubbarde]

He wasn't criticizing you...he was telling you to use a commonsense approach when adding your livestock. Doing your research on adult size, feeding requirements and compatibility with potential tankmates will save you a lot of headache down the road. In fact, I was just reading on here the other day where someone put a sixline wrasse in their aquarium and it went through and killed almost everything they had.

All I can do is go with information I have been given. Read that Web page and assumed that the fish would be OK. Also gut in Lfs said would be OK too. I will keep an eye on it, at moment all behaving nicely, if it starts to get aggressive will get it out.
When you're new as I am I trust the people who deal with the fish all of the time, ie Lfs guy. He is my go to (expert).

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[Bolivian Ram]

You can probably add one more fish. Ocellaris Clownfish would work since they are more docile and give a splash of red. I would only get 1 though. 2 might beat the other fish up due to territory issues/mating and laying eggs.

 

[deputydawg88]

All I can do is go with information I have been given. Read that Web page and assumed that the fish would be OK. Also gut in Lfs said would be OK too. I will keep an eye on it, at moment all behaving nicely, if it starts to get aggressive will get it out.
When you're new as I am I trust the people who deal with the fish all of the time, ie Lfs guy. He is my go to (expert).

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I wasn't trying to criticise you at all, it's just that I have seen you post threads asking what multiple corals are after buying them and sticking them in. I'm also new to the hobby and I like to know exactly what I am buying, what I can expect from its behaviour and whether I even have the ability to house it in my tank adequately (so that it is not just living but thriving) before I buy it.

Just bear in mind that the LFS guy's job is also to sell you fish. I hope that he is as responsible and ethical as my LFS employees, who will advise against introducing fish that cannot be cared for adequately in the tanks people have or won't get along with other tank-mates already in the tank at the cost of a sale, and not someone who will sell you a fish knowing full well in two to four months time you will be coming back to replace it.

 

[Half Vaped]

We all have to remember we were all once newbies as well. Sometimes people don't know what they don't know. I think this forum can be more constructive by guiding others towards the right decision, instead of berating others for every petty infraction of the Fishkeeper's Handbook.

Six-Line Wrasses are beautiful fish, but *can* get a nasty attitude, especially in a small tank with push-over tank-mates. They usually don't mess with Shrimp. Being so tiny, the Hi-Fin Goby may one day become victimized. Or they may be at peace forever.

Any additional fish needs to be "tough" enough to put up with the Wrasse, yet small enough to be comfortably housed in a 24G. This really limits your choices.

Also, I wouldn't have put a Lawnmower Blenny in such a small tank. I'm not sure if yours is eating well enough, but they sometimes don't ever eat prepared foods, like mine, and need a tank full of algae. They also get fairly large at about six inches.

If you can re-home the Wrasse and the Lawnmower Blenny, you have many more choices available as far as what fish you can add.

 

[deputydawg88]

We all have to remember we were all once newbies as well. Sometimes people don't know what they don't know. I think this forum can be more constructive by guiding others towards the right decision, instead of berating others for every petty infraction of the Fishkeeper's Handbook.

Six-Line Wrasses are beautiful fish, but *can* get a nasty attitude, especially in a small tank with push-over tank-mates. They usually don't mess with Shrimp. Being so tiny, the Hi-Fin Goby may one day become victimized. Or they may be at peace forever.

Any additional fish needs to be "tough" enough to put up with the Wrasse, yet small enough to be comfortably housed in a 24G. This really limits your choices.

Also, I wouldn't have put a Lawnmower Blenny in such a small tank. I'm not sure if yours is eating well enough, but they sometimes don't ever eat prepared foods, like mine, and need a tank full of algae. They also get fairly large at about six inches.

If you can re-home the Wrasse and the Lawnmower Blenny, you have many more choices available as far as what fish you can add.

I hope I am not coming across as critical, I totally understand his enthusiasm and I agree that being critical does nothing to help. In fact it only pushes newbies away from the community, which would be a shame given the wealth of advice and knowledge available here, it is an invaluable resource for anyone new.

 

[j.falk]

I trust the people who deal with the fish all of the time, ie Lfs guy. He is my go to (expert).

If that were truly the case, why not ask your LFS guy instead of a bunch of strangers on the internet who may or may not know what they are talking about?

I trust in knowledge and experience. I try to get as much information as I possibly can about what I'm wanting to keep and then I try to make the best informed decision that I can. I don't let others make decisions for me. I do ask for advice if I am unsure of something but the decision is ultimately mine to make and that's only after I've exhausted all possible outlets for information on what I'm wanting to do to see if others have tried it and succeeded.

Personally I've never had a Sixline Wrasse ever get aggressive towards anything...but that is my own personal experience. Individual results will vary. No two fish are the same...just like people, they all have different personalities and sometimes two fish don't get along and sometimes you can defy the odds and have things work out that others say is impossible. But always be prepared in case things don't work out for whatever reason.

The LFS guy's job is to sell stuff...at the end of the day, that is what it boils down to. If he doesn't sell stuff, his business doesn't continue. That's not to say he doesn't know what he's talking about or that you can't trust him...but he's always going to be trying to sell. It's his job on the line if he doesn't make sales.

 

[sde1500]

I hope I am not coming across as critical, I totally understand his enthusiasm and I agree that being critical does nothing to help. In fact it only pushes newbies away from the community, which would be a shame given the wealth of advice and knowledge available here, it is an invaluable resource for anyone new.

And yet, as a newbie yourself, you seem to be coming off very critical of someone who is here asking questions.

Getting another fish shouldn't be a problem. You've been warned now to keep an eye on the 6 line, so that is good. Another semi aggressive fish that could hold it's own against a potential aggressive tankmate wouldn't be a bad addition. Dottybacks tend to be more aggressive as well. I'd stick to one fish, the blenny pretty large.

 

[gareth.hubbarde]

Problem with the six line resolved. Couldn't find it this morning, was in a hole in the rocks not moving. He did have an injury don't know what caused it. So with that am going to get a royal gramma and peppermint shrimp. They should work, shouldn't they?

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