I came back to your short comments w a ****y attitude. I apologize for the back-handed remark. I was looking for help in figuring out what they are, rather than what they are not. You did answer myquestion, and told me that you disagreed with my second guess as well. This is input, but not input that helps me reach my goal. I have done some research, but have not found what I am looking for, which is why I posted this thread. I really don't want to fight. I'm just curious if anyone has an idea of what these zoas might be named.