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dugg

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Just finished my install on my solar hot water tank today. This thing rocks. It only took it 45 minutes to heat an 80 gallon tank of cold water to 150* and used NO electricity to do it. Hot water is 35% of your electric bill, and they have 0 down financing that will cost you $84 a month if you need to go that route. The total installed cost was $4100. With all of the utility companies raising rates the way they are, it will more than pay for it's self in just a couple of years, and also help to reduce our country's dependence of fossil fuels which will in turn bring down fuel prices. Not to mention give you more money to spend on your reef lol.
 
Oh yeah there is also rebates available from both the state of Florida for $500 and from your power company that ranges between $250 to $500 depending on your provider for installing the system, so your total cost is really only $3100. Progress is $500. You can PM me for the company's info that i used. All my other estimates were around $5500. The company i used was out of Deltona. I contracted with them on Friday and they installed it on Monday.
 
I got mine last summer. It was $4,200 installed. Progress was offering $400 back. Federal was $1,200 and Florida was $500. Don't count on seeing the $500 from Florida. They ran out of money and the funds have yet to be approved this year.

I kept the circuit breaker off for the heating element until November. So far I am happy with it. It is only my wife and I, but she goes through more hot water than a family of 4 by herself.
 
I got the 80 gallon tank, and don't have my breaker turned on at all. This morning after getting pretty chilly last night the water was still hot and had way more then enough for showers. I set my temp up to 150* instead of the installed 130*.

Where do i go for the federal rebate? Wasn't even told about that one ;). I did see where the state has run out of rebate funds for this year, but i am filing the paperwork for it anyway. It says that rebates will be paid in the order filed for as the funds become available. I kind of figure that the drop in my electric bill will be plenty of rebate if i don't get another dime myself. With the 25% increase that progress just started, i figure i should save around $100 a month or more since my old tank was very old and small with 2 elements running almost constantly.

I plan to completely solarize my home by this time next year. They gave me an estimate yesterday for $40k to be completely free from Progress, and that included putting on a new roof and rewiring the entire house with a 200 amp sevice before installing the panels. They also said that the prices are actually dropping fairly steady due to new technology, so it may end up less then the current estimate. My current Progress bill averages $400 a month, so even at $40k minus all the rebates, it will pay for it's self in 10 years or less. Not to even mention the increased property value.
 
You need to factor other things also such as maintenance, battery replacements, and other failtures. I've looked into it and imo it just isn't there yet. They will try to sell you on it but there are hidden things that will hit you. You need to see if your utility will allow you to feed electricity back into the grid first or you will require batteries and they don't last that long and expensive to replace. If you do backfeed, you still pay your customer fees as well. Last I got quoted was about 76K to do my house and not be dependent on the power company. A payoff of 15+ years is not very good considering the maintenance required on them.

IF you do do it, please keep us up to date with what you learned. I'd like to do it, but just not there yet.
 
I wish I could do it but live in a townhome and am not sure my HOA would even approve it. If it was a single family that'd be another story but maybe eventually it'll become more the norm. When I move I'd consider it, too, but the sun just isn't out as much but maybe. I'll have to look into it. I find it fascinating though so thank you for sharing your experience with us!
 
The power company can't stop you from back feeding into thier grid. It is federal law that they purchase any power you feed into the grid. I have a friend that sued Progress over that and won his case. Some of the smaller companies or co-op's aren't regulated by state laws, but all are regulated by federal laws. I haven't researched all of the battery storage yet, and the company told me that they are making huge progressions in solar panels at this time. He told me if i were doing it now that he wouldn't recommend it, but within the next year he expects them to be woth the investment. The maintainence depends on if you have trees around that will be covering the panels with sap and that sort of issues. I won't have any trees at all near mine by the time i get it done. The panel on my hot water system just needs spayed off with a hose once a year. The panels that are made for producing actual power have a lifetime warranty, i'm sure the batteries don't though. I'm also sure that the power producing panels will require more cleaning to keep peak performance, but to keep from paying any electric bill, i don't think it will kill me to clean them 2 or 3 times a year if i need to. I will definately be doing the entire system, so i'll keep you posted when i get to that point.

I am pretty much at the end of my funds at the moment, so that and the company's recommendation not to go that far just yet is the reason i said by this time next year. I still have to do the roof, and upgrade my homes wiring before i get to the panels. My home was built in 1957 and still has the old cloth covered wiring and only a 100 amp service.
 
That is great, thanks for sharing all of your info. I hopefully will be able to buy the house that i am in and if i can finance it I would love to get the whole house solar.

Would you recommend having the entire house solar and the water heater solar? Or just the whole house and let it power the heater?

You will have to let us know how much you save a month on the water heater. At least that sounds more affordable for the time being and being able to completely turn off the breaker and still have hot water in the morning is awesome.

I know i watched a show on the new solar panels and the cells themselves were like paper thin. I wonder if that is the new technology that your guy was talking about.

Jason
 
The water heaterwould be the first and most efficient thing to do. It doesn't need any power from the panels anyway. It only has a small pump that runs on 110v and shows to use about $9.00 per year in power. The rest is powered by the sun only. It's a totally different type of panel from the ones used for power. The pump sends the water up through the panel on your roof and then back to the tank. The panel just has heat collectors that heat the water. Like i said in my first post, it heated my 80 gallon tank to 150* in 45 minutes after being installed. With all of the rebates available, you will end up in the tank and panel installed under $2000. Your hot water accounts for 30 to 35% of your electric bill so you can figure up from your average bill how long it will take to repay you. Not long at all in my case. It sure feels good standing in that hot shower as long as you want knowing it's not costing a dime lol. There are very significant upgrades coming in the very near future in the actual solar panels to power your home, so it will be best to wait for this to happen before doing the full upgrade to solar power your entire home. The price is going to be a lot cheaper on the newer panels also. So, do the water tank first, make sure you have new or almost new shingles on the roof, and upgrade any wiring while they are working on the new technology. Then when they get the new panels out you will be ready to install them and be free of the power companies forever, and increase the value of your home by far more then you will have to invest. Just imagine the attraction of a home for sale with no utility costs.

As for the new panels, yes that is what he was talking about. They are suposed to only be about 1 1/2 inches thick instead of the bulky 3 to 4 inch panels out now. They are also supposed to be a peal and stick type so that if they are damaged they can just replace the peal and stick part instead of having to replace the entire panel. He said if i do it now i would be looking at $40k if i wait until this time next year he expects them to be around 30 ish. That is to completely solarize. You can also just add a panel at a time as your budget allows rather then go in debt to do it all at one time. Right now they are $895 per panel installed, and of coarse there are rebates involved on any solar installation. The more we solarize, the less money we send to the middle east.
 
My next month bill will only reflect the heatpump i installed this month, then the next one after that we will see just how much the tank did. I am expecting my bill to be cut in half or more by the time that bill comes in. It was $400 last month, and there was 6 days on the next bill before the heatpump was installed.
 
So that is where the $100 difference came from. I got the 12vdc pump with the photovoltaic cell. I replaced all of my windows at the same time I did the water heater. My house was built in '68. I think I am down between $65-75/month combined.
 
He didn't even mention a photocell pump or i would have gone with that. He actually started out at $4500 we just ended up at $4100 ;). My house had just gotten new double pane windows installed before i bought it. That was why i got it so cheap. The lady that owned the house had a boyfriend that talked her into an equity loan to do improvements, then after the windows he spent the rest and left her. She couldn't make the payments and had to sell it or lose it. It had been on the market for 6 months at $115,000 and i offered her $85,000 after doing a little public records search to find out how much she owed on it. The realtor told me i was wasting my time with the offer, but she accepted it, and when i got here 2 months later i was offered $165k the day i got here.
 
On a Renovation Nation episode they were installing panels that were a combo for both electricity and water. With how fast technology advances, and now that there is much more interest and incentive it should get more affordable.
 
The problem has not been if you could use it for electricity or not. The PV cells were not efficient enough to do the job effectively. To supply power for a house the entire roof would be covered and half the back yard with panels. Now they have increased the conversion effectiveness dramatically and can begin offering products that offset home usage. There are homes that are completely off the grid. Cost is the issue at that point.
 
Sounds like you are definitely doing your research. From what I read awhile ago, batteries won't have a lifetime warranty. As with any battery, they tend to have a specific duration of life.

Wonder how hard it would be to DIY?
 
So far this solar hot water tank is great. I have not yet had to turn on the breaker to it at all, even with the cloudy days and cold. It has naintained more hot water then we can use, and hasn't cost one dime to do it. I can't wait to see what it does to my power bill next month. If that and the heatpump cut as much as expected, it won't be long at all before i can begin my electrical upgrades and new roof to be ready to start installing the solar panels and batteries over the next year. I already talked to my bank and have far more equity than i need to make all of the solar improvements i will need to get completely off the grid. Then if there is room on the roof, i will be adding even more to feed back into the grid for Progress extortionist to buy from me lol.
 
Oh yeah, i also started over this weekend to put window tint on all of my windows. I am putting 5% film (limo tint) on every window in the house. The guy that installed my solar tank told me that the window tint cut his bill by almost 20%, and it is only costing me $120 to cover all of the windows, so i figure that to also be a good investment. If nothing else, my kids are now sleeping an extra hour in the mornings since thier rooms stay dark when the sun comes up lol. That alone is worth $120.
 
Thanks for that link Crisstie, that was some very encouraging usefull information. I normally use 2500 kw per month at least before the recent upgrades, so that would be $25,000 + installation cost and batteries to be totally independent of the power company woohoo. I can't wait. There was some info in there that suggest it will come down to around $.50 per watt in the near future. At that price, if you own your home, you almost can't afford not to do it.
 
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