planning of a big tank!!!

suitcasey

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Hey everyone! Before I start, let me say I am in the uk so all these volumes are in UK gallons :). I currently have a 55gallon tank with a flame angel, 2 clowns, a blue tang and a yellow tang. Both tangs are only about 4 inches so they are ok for now. The tank is about 2 years old and everything has been going absolutely perfectly. However I am constantly thinking of getting a bigger tank, everytime i look at mine i am so happy with the progress of it, but it breaks my heart at the thought of one day having to give up my tangs. My dad is trying to convince me they'll be fine, as he has kept tangs in this size tank before, however never two at a time. I know one day they will both just be too large for it and their longterm happiness is all im really concerned about :(.
On ebay I have found a company that builds tanks for really a very good price, absolutely any dimensions you want. And every three months they deliver to northern ireland. i was so happy when i discovered this!! They are delivering next week, which is far too soon, so i have the next three months to convince my parents that this will be a good idea.

If everything goes well and Im allowed to buy this tank, this is what I plan to do and i'd just like some feedback.
I will go for 6 feet long, as this will give the tangs so much more swimming space. A two foot depth will give me more room for aquascaping, and I was considering making it 3 foot tall, as I have seen taller tanks and really really like them. The only drawback to having it 3' tall is that they have to build it on site, so if that adds a lot more to the price i may go for 2' high. what do u think? This, i think, works out to be around 225gallons, which I know is a whole lot but the tank is working out so cheap. I dont know the final price for this yet though, so i might go for the 2' tall which is 150gallons, absolutely plenty.

One thing I learnt from my current tank is that it is too low down, I hate having to crouch to see it in all its glory. So I will make the stand taller this time. For a stand I was wondering if this would work, we have done it in the past for other tanks but this is on a much larger scale. Use a very large plank of wood, cut to the dimensions of the tank and a good few inches thick, and hold it up by large concrete blocks?? I am a bit concerned also about the floorboards, will they support this weight?
The tank would be lit probably by 6 39W T5 lights.

I would not use live rock as the only method of filtration. I would probably have around 100lbs, and the rest would be ocean rock and dead corals. However I would use atleast 2 large canister filters. Would this be ok do u think?
I would definitely need a skimmer upgrage. Can anyone point me in the direction of one that would be good but also not too expensive??
For nutrient export I will set up my current 55gallon tank right next to it, and have it as a seperate display tank which I will culture various macro algaes in. I think it would make a good fuge. I have seen pictures of tanks done like this and it looks absolutely incredible.
I'd probably have about a 4" sand bed in each tank, would this be enough for a DSB?
I have a spare 55gallon that will sit underneath for a sump. So this system will have a lot of water for stability hopefully.

My current tank has no holes drilled in it whatsoever, and I dont reeeally see the advantage of having it drilled as ours has worked fine. Our 'overflow' works by just a pipe taking water down to the sump through gravity, and then a pump in the sump sends it back up to the tank. These are the only two places water leaves or enters the tank. It can be annoying during water changes as the water level in the display gets too low and you have to start the water flowing in the pipe again, but apart from that its fine. Can anyone convince me it would be a good idea to get this tank drilled in any certain areas? or install a propper overflow box?? It would be good to get that sorted out at the start and see if they'll do it for me if i have to.

I really think thats it! Oh, I will buy some more good powerheads from ebay for circulation.
Im not looking to overstock this tank, some future additions (including everything in my current tank) might be:
shoal of green chromis
shoal of lyretail anthias
possible emperor angel (have always dreamed of one)
powder blue tang
maybe a blue throat trigger
maybe some sort of wrasse or possibly a butterfly
There may be a few other additions but only small ones like gobies I think.
And the 55gallon fuge I would keep sea horses in :D!

It will be sort of a semi reef, I would see what types of corals my fish will allow me to keep and go from there, tbh i've always been more interested in fish than corals but it would still be nice to have some softies and LPS in there. Ive heard emperors are usually a safe bet.

Well I think that is all, this is the only alternative I can think of to giving up my two tangs, and if you ask me it seems like a pretty darn good alternative. I hope my parents think so too. Ive put a lot of thought into this and I will buy almost everything myself. If I research everything enough and get all the parts sorted out in the next few months, I think I might just be allowed to do this. So please guys if you can, answer whatever questions you can, give me any advice you have and lets get this monster tank on the run :)! I'd really appreciate any help (and I do apologise for the length of this thread!)

Thanks for reading, Casey!
 
Hey! just as a quick update, im gonna go for the 6'2'2' now, which is 150UK gallons. (i think thats around 200US gallons).
So if you guy's could answer some of the questions I have based on that it would be great :)!!!
I'll try and get pictures up soon of my current set up and where i'd like the new one to go.
thanks a lot, casey
 
Hi Casey

Sounds like a flexible manufacturer, willing to build on site if necessary, can I ask who it is?
 
I would go with 30" instead if you want to see better. you still can use the t5's or 250mh
 
Hey there :)! Yes Manta, I found the company on ebay and here is their online store: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/zoostock
It does seem like a pretty good deal!!

nyvp, i know I am so tempted to go for this, the thing is for an extra half foot on any of the dimensions it is too heavy to ship, so they must build on site. This costs an extra £150 i think :(. I will look into it more, but i think for now i'll be going for the 6'2'2'.

Thanks for reading this thread guys :), your input is very welcome and I'd still like some more info on some of the other things i asked about.

thanks a lot :)

Casey
 
Be sure to let me know how you get on if you decide to use them :)! They wont come to northern ireland for three months, but they deliever to mainland UK all the time so if you get a tank from there before me i'd love to hear how it goes! I have emailed the guy and he was very very helpful.

Still looking for advice from anyone who can help me :)!

Casey
 
Hi again Casey, checked out your manufacturer. Should be pretty good - they built one of my favourite tanks, the 17 footer display tank at Calico, Cumbria.

Advice wise, we have a 6x 28"wide x 24" height. IMO i wouldn't go above 24 height - with the extra height of the lip added and tank deeper is a PITA to maintain - and I am 6ft with long arms. Fish-wise, depth (tank height) is pretty much irrelevant, go for as large a surface area as possible. This will also make the tank cheaper.

Increasing the height of the cabinet is a good idea, it'll make maintenance easier and allow you to have a taller skimmer. I'd go for 30 inches tall on the cabinet. Skimmer choice? I'm Deltec biased but theres plenty of other cheaper options. The V skimmers are getting a good rep over in blighty.

I would go all live rock for filtration, that way you will keep better control of nitrates. About one pound per gallon of good quality LR should suffice. I would definitely get it drilled for a sump - there are myriad advantages, not least a larger system volume and a place to put unsightly equipment.

This is just our opinion of course, theres no one way to do it. Seek a range of advice then go with your instinct. Also a good book would be very useful - I found the Reef Aquarium vol 3 instrumental in the setup of our system.

atb and good luck

Lara & Ross
 
Wow thankyou very much this is exactly the kind of brilliant input I am looking for :)!!

You are definitely right about the dimensions, I'm gonna go for the 6'2'2' as I think this will be plenty. And Im going to make the stand 3' as I really think this gives me the optimum veiwing level and also will give me plenty of space underneath for a sump and skimmer. Skimmerwise the only one I have considered so far is a V2 model, possibly the 800 or maybe a little higher. I will have a look at the deltec one though :), as yours is around the same tank volume would you reccomend this? In case I end up with the tank being very fully stocked I'd like to overskim a little to be on the safe side.

I really just don't know if I have the funds right now for all that live rock, I have about 40lbs right now and I think I could get another 50lbs in. I was thinking of adding a bag of reef rocks which are just dried out live rock which will come alive soon and it is much cheaper. I was also going to use a fluval fx5, which is designed for a 300 gallon tank. This set up, alongside a 50 gallon fuge with lots of macroalgaes, and a DSB in both tanks I was thinking I could keep everything under control. What do you think?

I will definitely be adding a sump, a 55gallon one. I was just wondering how the tank should be drilled to have one?? In our current set up we just have a siphon that sits about an inch below the water level that takes water down to the sump. It works fine but can be a bit annoying when it stops, so I was wondering how to get my tank drilled to avoid this problem in the future??

I really, really appreciate the advice, thankyou very much for replying :)

Also you've made me more confident about this manufacturer after hearing about that other tank :)!!

Many thanks,

Casey
 
Skimmer wise I'd always go as big as possible within reason. No doubt you can overskim, but skimming is all about load - the bigger the skimmer the larger the potential bio-load - in short, more stock. This area becomes a shade of grey for full-blown reef tanks but for your tank no problem. V2 800 does have a good rep, if you can justify the outlay a Deltec 701/851 would be my choice.

LR, yes it is very expensive, especially in one shot. Always good to keep your ear to the ground for tank break-ups - a good source of cheap rock. Failing that then your suggestion sounds fine, and a good water change regime will help a lot.

I would ask the manufacturer to do the drilling if you have no experience with this. 10 or 12mm glass is costly to replace and I would expect BOSS to carry this out for a small premium.

atb
 
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