Probably ich - need confirmation

fessoclown

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My fish are dying off... I know what I have to do if it is ich but I want to make sure before I begin.
Here's some shots, it's really hard to see the white spots in these pictures but they are there... abundantly....
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At first it appeared on my Hippo Tang but the spots looked black.
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I have set up a holding tank and have begun to capture my fish.
I am looking for an ID.
I will have more questions for sure.
Thanks in advance
 
Steve -

You don't think the hippo has black ich?

Focus is not sharp enough to tell definitively. The clownfish appears to exhibit symptoms of brook or possibly uronema. The hippo has a lot of problems, black ich may be included.
 
Focus is not sharp enough to tell definitively. The clownfish appears to exhibit symptoms of brook or possibly uronema. The hippo has a lot of problems, black ich may be included.

My camera is terrible, sorry about the pics.

Here's a timeline. It's full of JR. mistakes and now I am learning the hard way which is a life pattern for me for sure.

I set up this tank in the beginning of Sept. after moving.
I used tonga and shelf rock that I bought from a local reefer back in July. He told me that he "may" have had ich but it was OK because I wasn't planning to set up my tank until Sept. If I kept the rock in a Brute with a heater and powerhead for that time it would be clear. I didn't double check the needed time and it was probably shy of 72 days...

I brought a bunch of fish from my old system. RedFin Wasp, 3 PJ Cardinals, 2 clowns, 2 chromis

In Oct/Nov I bought a Flame Hawk, firefish, Midas Blenny and a hippo tang I did not QT them. These were all fro different LFS

In Nov. I bought a BOrb Anthia and a Dottyback from friends. No QT either.

Maybe 2 weeks ago the Tang developed black dots all over it. I set up a 16G tank to isolate the Tang. It took me a quite few days to catch it. It is now isolated and looking much better, I am not treating it with anything just doing 30-50% waterchange every 3 days. The tang was/is eating normally and was scratching on rocks.

At this time all the other fish in DT seemed to be OK, all eating and swimming normally.

4 days ago the firefish died. It showed no symptoms except it seemed pretty lethargic just before it died. I don't remember if it was eating or not as it never really joined the group at feeding time and would wait for food to go past it.

3 days ago the Borb died. It also looks fine, was swimming and eating normally the night before, in the morning it was sucked to the overflow.

3 days ago was the last time I saw the Dottyback. I can't find it anywhere. It's skin seemed a little rough but not white spots more like a texture but all purple.

2 days ago the clowns started showing white spots, the spots were much more visible in the anatic light. At this point I thought it was ich for sure but I wasn't sure that ich killed fish with no visible marks. The clowns were swimming erratically, maybe a little scratching.

This morning both clowns died. They didn't eat last night. They had white spots for sure but also a weird texture that's obvious in the photos.

The Midas Blenny is poking his head out from a rock, he is lethargic, I suspect he will be dead by the end of the night.

The Wasp looks fine although he did jump into the overflow a few days ago.

The Flame Hawk is eating and swimming normally.

The Chromis are behaving strangely, swimming fast and erratic.

The PJ cardinals are swimming and eating normally.

I wish I had better pictures.

Here is the Tang this morning.

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I wish I could learn from others mistakes but I don't. Thanks for any help, usually once I have gone through something like this (reefing or real life) I don't repeat the same mistake over and over... feeling like a bit of a dolt!
 
Most likely brook.

+1

Black ich (actually a turbellarian worm, not a protozoan) usually presents as small black dots, not patchy black areas. Whatever the hippo tang has, it is also at risk for contracting Brooklynella since the clownfish likely has it. Same goes for the remaining fish in the tank. If you want to save them, you need to get them into treatment quickly. Treatment options are in the stickies at the top of this forum.
 
So I need to get the remaining fish into a QT and treat for Brooklynosis?



I am not sure I understand what to do, dip each fish with formalin? I have no idea what that is, I guess I have some reading to do...
I have read the stickies but am still very confused.

"Brooklynosis: a parasitic infestation more seen in clowns than other species: if a pale body film, likely; other symptoms lethargy, spitting out food, difficulty breathing: formalin dip: Formalin added at a dosage of 1000 ppm for some 15 minutes. Revive brand med added to water: contains acriflavine---for 14 days. DO not treat in main tank."

And I do fresh water dips for the black ich?
 
So I need to get the remaining fish into a QT and treat for Brooklynosis?



I am not sure I understand what to do, dip each fish with formalin? I have no idea what that is, I guess I have some reading to do...
I have read the stickies but am still very confused.

Best information is found here.

"Brooklynosis: a parasitic infestation more seen in clowns than other species: if a pale body film, likely; other symptoms lethargy, spitting out food, difficulty breathing: formalin dip: Formalin added at a dosage of 1000 ppm for some 15 minutes. Revive brand med added to water: contains acriflavine---for 14 days. DO not treat in main tank."

And I do fresh water dips for the black ich?
 
With Brook you need to act fast. Formalin is hard to find locally and it doesn't always work. I watched a fellow breeder kill his Bali Aquarich Picasso with formalin by following directions. Your other option is Chloroquine Phosphate which is effective against Brook, Ich, and velvet and it's not as harsh as formalin on the fish.
 
Thanks for that link Steve, for some reason I didn't find that one and I have been poking around the stickies all day/.....
 
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