Questions!!!

steve24az

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Good day Reef Central,

First, my setup .. well one of them.

Standard 40 Breeder, 20G tall Sump. Sump has Live Sand in it.

Bubble Magus NAC6 Skimmer
BRS Dual reactor with Carbon in both chambers
TLF reactor with GFO
(Cheapo) return pump (Roughly 900gph) Throttled down with a valve
4 39W T5's sitting 3 inches from water, 3x Ati Blue plus 1x Purple Plus

2x Koralia 3's, 1x koralia

LIvestock: 1 PJ Cardinal, 2x purple firefish, 2x Red firefish, 1x Cherub Angel, 1x bi-color blenny, 3x peppermint shrimp, 3x emerald crabs, 30 Nassarius snails, 20 Hermits.

Test Results

Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0
Phosphate: 0
Calcium: 600+ (I don't supplement Calcium either, it's just that high)
Magnesium (1600)
PH: 8
ALK: 8

Using Reef Crystals and 0 TDS Ro/Di

Now onto the questions

I've had good success with all the LPS/Softies I've kept, I've moved most of them from this 40 gallon tank to my 125 to make room for SPS.

I have 3 Large colonies, ORA Miama Orchid, ORA Orange Halo, ORA Purple Nana. I have several other frags including ORA red planet, Tri-color Valeda, a Small colony of one similar to Lime in the Sky, Small frag of purple haze monti, bretts purple rim, orange, brown, green, and idaho grape montis.

The three very large colonies seem to be doing well, The Miami Orchid is whitish/pale at the tips, but that is normal from what I understand, the Orange Halo is very orange, lots of polyp extension, seems healthy, the purple nana has good extension, the tips are purple but somewhat pale (not sure if this is normal) The red planet frags have tons of polyp extension but seem to be whitening near the base. I also have a good sized piece of Orange Digitata, it has good polyp extension, but the tissue underneath the polyps is white-ish in color in some areas. My Frag of green staghorn started to bleach near the base, I moved it lower in the tank and it seems to be recovering. I had a small frag of green monti, it did fine for about 2 weeks and then overnight it was completely bleached out, I think it may have been to close to the lighting.

I've lost a few small frags of acro here and there, nothing major. I have two pieces of Bali Green slimer, one small, and one about 3" long. The small one began as a very nice flourecent green color, it was placed under very intense light, and after I noticed its coloring starting to pale I moved it down. It's not getting better or worse yet, that was bout two weeks ago.

Another frag of unknown SPS has bleached from the base up, only the tips remain colored.

Is 39x4 Lighting Too much for this tank? I run my lights 10 Hours a day.

I Feed the fish 2-3x Daily
I Dose ALK supplement and Magnesium Supplement
I also just started dosing Lugol's solution (iodine)
Is it necessary to have a Daylight bulb On a SPS Tank?


My phone isn't capable of taking pictures of a tank unfortunately, I'll see if I can find a Camera.

Does anyone see anything obviously wrong with this setup?
 
You do not have too much light, you do not need a 'daylight' bulb. You could reduce the max photoperiod.
What are your numbers for alk/ca/mg?
Depending on hw much you are feeding each tie, may want too cut back to reduce extra nutrients and such in he tank. Nitrates and phosphates in excess amounts are not well liked by sps.
 
Yes you DO have a lot of light on there. The ATI bulbs (with reflectors) only 3" from the water is putting a lot of light into the tank, more so with the 10 hour photo period. Also you DO have a daylight bulb, the purple plus is a "full spectrum" daylight bulb. So I would recommend that you raise them up and reduce the photo period.

Also, this is assuming that your other params are within reasonable levels. If all else is good/normal in the tank and the corals are fed...then I would say its too much light.
 
Thanks for the replies gentlemen,

One param I forgot was my salinity which is at 1.025.

I'm going to try and raise the lights a few inches and reduce to an 8 hour photo period.
 
sorry i didn't see the part where the fixture was only 3" above the tank (i need to read better). I would agree to raise it. My ATI fixture is 6-8" above my 25" tall tank, and i was keeping clams on the sandbed.
 
I dont think its too much light at all. Ive been thinking about going the ATI route myself, but 6x39w and i have a 40b.

Are you acclimating the corals to the light?
Having alk swings?
How much carbon are you running?
How much GFO are you running?
 
Keep an eye out on those emerald crabs. They can do a lot of damage to acros, check after lights out.
 
Keep an eye out on those emerald crabs. They can do a lot of damage to acros, check after lights out.

Yours munching on your sticks? I have 4 and after the lights go out its as if they think they are acro crabs and hide in them. Have had no issues with them ongoing a year now.
 
6x39w ATI over a 40 breeder will be a ton of light. If you've never had an ATI then you just don't know. 4 would be plenty. 6x24w would be better over a 40b. My 58 gallon uses a 6x39w and I hwve to keep it 14"awl.

So its easy for me to see how the op could simply have too much light.
 
Yours munching on your sticks? I have 4 and after the lights go out its as if they think they are acro crabs and hide in them. Have had no issues with them ongoing a year now.

I've had males munch on sticks. In particular I had a surf/n/turf acro that each night would lose its growth tips, took me a while but finally caught the crab in action.
Haven't had an issue with the females.
 
6x39w ATI over a 40 breeder will be a ton of light. If you've never had an ATI then you just don't know. 4 would be plenty. 6x24w would be better over a 40b. My 58 gallon uses a 6x39w and I hwve to keep it 14"awl.

So its easy for me to see how the op could simply have too much light.

You are right 6x24w! Thank you for correcting me! :thumbsup:

I still dont think that the 4x39w sunpower would be a major issue. I keep 2-65w pc+ a 250w halide 4" from the water with no glass. Keeping acros anywhere from the bottom of the tank to 5" below the water line with full color. IMO i think he light shocked them with the fixture or its something else with water quality. I still dont think its the 4bulbx39 thats doing it. :/
 
I've had males munch on sticks. In particular I had a surf/n/turf acro that each night would lose its growth tips, took me a while but finally caught the crab in action.
Haven't had an issue with the females.

That might be it then! They seem to stick to algae, cept bubble algae! DOH! Damn crabs ;)
 
Yours munching on your sticks? I have 4 and after the lights go out its as if they think they are acro crabs and hide in them. Have had no issues with them ongoing a year now.

OH yes! It would take entire tips right off. Mine would hover at the base of acros (mostly the valida) and rip out the polyps and even take tips.

here is a pic of the damage, at first I thought it was my angel nipping.
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The menace
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weeks after removal of the emerald crab
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You are right 6x24w! Thank you for correcting me! :thumbsup:

I still dont think that the 4x39w sunpower would be a major issue. I keep 2-65w pc+ a 250w halide 4" from the water with no glass. Keeping acros anywhere from the bottom of the tank to 5" below the water line with full color. IMO i think he light shocked them with the fixture or its something else with water quality. I still dont think its the 4bulbx39 thats doing it. :/

Ok...just try it and get back to me. ;)
If it works then I'll follow you and set up my 40b frag tank finally.
 
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