SCWD question

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This thing is driving me CRAZY! I've checked the other fourms and really nothing except people complaining about them making noise. Here is what mine is doing - it vibrates every time it switches! this is in my living room and is drive me and everyone else crazy. I've put mouse pads behind it, foam etc - still does it. It sounds like internal vibration not external. It's been running for a few days and just started yesterday. Last night I had to turn it off because it was so aggravating. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Telling you the truth their manufacturing quality has a lot to be desired. Lack of proper fitting in the internal parts is creating cavitation (Making the parts to vibrate) which sounds like grinding sand. I do not think your problem will last long as the unit under this condition of stress fails fairly fast. You can try changing the amount of flow, that might help.
 
Thanks for the information - that is what I'd read so far and is what I was afraid of. If of course it was easy to get to it would work as it was designed. I don't think the SCWD is the answer at this point, to bad because I really thought it was a dream come true for the smaller tanks. I might just remove it and run my plumbing right from my pump (quiet one 4000) - totally removing and giving up on the SCWD.

Thanks again for the information jdieck.

Carol
 
I have one and it's worked great / completely silent for the last 6 months...and I bought it used from someone else. jdieck might be right but the only complaints I've heard from people has been that they ran it without any kind of filtration before it and it clogs with depris easily, or calcium deposits collect on it which soaking in vinegar usually fixes. I use just a simple large sponge at the intake for my return pump for filtration and I haven't had to soak it in vinegar yet.
 
Sorry but usually there are no good news associated with SCWD.
I purchased two for my frag tank, one did not work right out of the box and the other one was creating so much pressure drop that I just removed it and tosed it away.
Some people have been succesful taking the inside mechanism and modifying it installed into a DIY PVC casing, you may want to look for the mod if you are DIY inclined.
 
I guess I'm one of those failures right out of the box. This is a new tank and up until yesterday it has worked for I think 2 days - I put the water in on the 18th. I have a filter kind of - PVC with holes drilled which keeps most of the stuff out. Of course right now I don't have debris so I don't feel that could be it. If they were easily opened I could see what's going on, but I think I'd rather get my 35 bucks back. I might have to look at the Mod for them - I do like to mess with things :D
 
I just found one of the mods - takes up way to much room for my application. I think I might look at other devices or other DIY that doesn't have as many problems.

Hey jdieck, I see you have a UV unit how do you like it?
 
As a UV unit I think Aqua ultraviolet are very reliable.
Now if you ask me if there is a benefit. I really have never run without it so I can say but I have little or no alge in the main, Fish were able to fend the ich (less and less with each life cycle until is gone) and whenever they have an injury or fin rot it usually goes away surprizingly fast. If this due to the UV, I do not really know but I would not run my system without one.
 
Thanks for the information JDieck. I've been really thinking about getting one and have mainly heard good about them. But with everything you need to spend the bucks and get a decent wattage otherwise they didn't do the job, no matter the tank size.
 
You know that is the reason I went with it. I normally have very good luck with products, I'd read up on them and had heard that some do have problems. I might try and stick it out and see of it will quiet down or just take it off (which will be a pain) and mess with it (clean, shake - whatever). I am disappointed in the product at this time - unless it will fix it self.
 
Sorry but usually there are no good news associated with SCWD.

People don't usually post to tell you that some thing's been working fine. So I'm sure you're correct - there are no good news associated with it (except 3 people on this thread already).

If you look at the reef-cetral reviews:
http://www.reefcentral.com/modules.php?s=&name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=9
http://www.reefcentral.com/modules.php?s=&name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=76

...You'll see most people like it, a couple had a bum unit like you. Sounds like they have some moderate quality control problems, but the failures are pretty immediate meaning you can exchange it where you bought it.

And as for flow, it's inefficient for lower flow - 60%, but 90% efficient for higher flow as seen on this chart:
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=3Q1111

I think it's an awesome device.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8802132#post8802132 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by alizarin
And as for flow, it's inefficient for lower flow - 60%, but 90% efficient for higher flow as seen on this chart:
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=3Q1111

I do not want to be controversial but that chart is meaningless.
So you put 400 gal per hour in and you get 360 gal per hour out OK, what happen to the other 40 gph??
If you measure efficiency by the amount of power it takes then it is a 100% efficient because it uses no power or at least that is what they say.
What about the additional power you need to add to the pump to compensate for the pressure drop? Of course that does not count for advertizing!
If they really wanted to evaluate the device's performance that chart should have shown the pressure drop across the device at the diferent flows, then you can calculate the additional head pressure you need and the pump efficiency loss with the actual loss of flow with and without the device plus the additional power required which is taken by the device to make it switch.
Show me a chart like that then I can tell you if it is efficient or not.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8803161#post8803161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by alizarin
Could you give an example of how you would represent those stats because I'm not following you.
Sure, let me try to explain.
First the SCWD in the line behave as any other restriction to dynamic flow be it an elbow, a reduction in the pipe diameter, a union fitting or the friction of the water upon the pipe walls, etc.
The higher the flow the higher the pressure drop across the fitting will be.
As an example, when passing 600 gal per hour in a 1 " pipe, a "T" fitting will create a pressure drop of only about 0.04 psi as the flow increases the pressure drop also increases. For the same elbow but now passing 850 gal per hour the pressure drop near quadruples to about 0.15 psi. This increase pressure drop (resistance to flow) creates a higher flow loss the higher the flow is.

Similarly with a SCWD the higher the flow, the higher the flow loss would be.
Now lets take a look at that table again to see if that holds water:

According to that table if you increase the input of flow to the SCWD by 90 gph from 180 to 270 gph the output increase by the same 90 gph (from 120 to 210 gph). Because the SCWD is a restriction this behaviour of not loosing flow with an increase in flow is an engineering impossibility.
Even more, according to the table if you increase the input flow by 70 gph from 330 to 400 gph the output flow will increase by 120 gph (from 240 to 360 gph). All in a sudden according to the table the SCWD is acting as a pump increasing the flow!

If I were to know instead, what is the pressure drop at different flows, that will allow me to really identify for my particular operating conditions if a SCWD will be the right choice.

Of course marketing wise it is not smart to talk about "pressure drop" but instead they talk about efficiency of the device. This is equivalent to say that a T fitting is X or Y% efficient. You can mention how much efficiency it will take away from the system as a cost penalty for creating the switching of the flow but again that is not good marketing.

Why do I want to know the pressure drop at different flows? Well adding a given pressure drop to a system will have a lot different effects depending on the operating parameters of that system.
Take a look at the performance curve for the Mag Drive 9.5 below.

Now lets assume we add 1 psi of pressure drop in that system (approx. 2 ft) at 800 gph then I would know that if my system is operating at an existing 4 ft (800 gph) and add 2 more ft of head pressure to 6 ft my flow will drop by 100 gph from 800 gph to 700 gph so I will be reduced by 12% an may decide to use the SCWD.

If they tell me that the pressure drop will be 2 ft at 400 gph and my system is operating at the 10 ft point (400 gph), if I add two more feet my flow will drop by 200 gph to half of what I had so I may not decide to use it or switch to a different pump to compensate for the difference.

mag9_curve.jpg


So if they tell me or give me a table or a chart that display the pressure drop across the device for different flow I will be able to decide how the device fits in my system and be able to make useful decisions, otherwise it is just marketing fuzz.

In summary, it is futile for the manufacturer to try to tell me how much flow I will loose as it depends on the performance characteristics of my system and my pump, something they will never be able to even guess but measuring the pressure drop across the device at different flows will be very simple and straight forward. Why don't they do it? Beats me.
 
Thanks jdieck for explaining this and I do know what you mean. I have a Quiet One 4000 which is rated at 1017 and with two feet of head it takes it down to around 900. I can calculate somewhat the drop that will occur with the fittings (elbows, unions etc) but I have no idea what the drop is going through the SCWD. I do know one thing and that is on my system it is dropping a lot. This could be because of the faulty unit, my design or the design of the SCWD. I think it's probably a combination.
 
If you deciede to not to scrap it and are willing to chance breaking it, bore it out with a 5/8 paddle drill bit I did that to one it got from colledge429 and other than a initial vinager bath I have had no troubles it realf has worked very well and my tank has been better for it! the flow rate through the scwd went WAY up after enlarging the ports.
 
I have it off the tank now - just removed it. It was only I think $35 from Fosters and Smiths. It is under warrantee but I would still have to pay for the shipping back. So in the end it would cost around 30. I'll have to think about it. I do like the idea but I think the design can be improved - larger intake and output ports are number one. I do have to wonder why they went with the 3/4 inch and not 1 inch. It would also be real nice if you could disassemble it - cleaning, fixing, redesigning etc. I have a bad light bulb also, I'll have to return it (two different vendors) so this build is not going real good for me - oh well.
 
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