Skimmerless 220 FOWLR

Justin/TiV

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I've had my 220 FOWLR set up now for a few months. and I have never really skimmed much. I was thinking of getting a different skimmer so that it isn't so oversized.

But then I started thinking, if I never skim anything, why do I need a skimmer on it on all. I don't have a very stocked tank and don't really feed very heavy.

What do you guys think of a skimmerless FOWLR
 
Do you have another means of nutrient export such as a fuge?
What kind of other filtration are you running? carbon, etc.

Since your tank is only a few months old I believe you are doing okay for now. What you would have to look at is how your water quality holds up over time. If you stock the tank lightly and have good alternative filtration (like a large fuge) and good water changing habits I think you could certainly do it without a skimmer.
 
I second SaltyMember's comments and questions, but I would not give up your skimmer. At least keep it handy in case you need it later...

Also, keep in mind that fish will grow. I personally find it hard to limit myself to "light" stocking for very long.
 
I have been cycling my tank for 6 months since I set it up.(a money cycle, not really on purpose :) ) and even though there are only a few inverts and rock and sand, I still pick up skim mate all the time. It's not ridiculous, I change it once a week or so, but I have virtually no bioload and my water parameters are completely perfect (nothing really to foul it up) I said all that to say, there may be some tweaking needed on the skimmer if it's not picking up much. I would say also, that if you leave it running, no harm done, it picks up what it can. But if you take it out, than you don't know really what it's not picking up.
 
A skimmer is a good oxygen source for your tank if nothing else. There is no reason not to run your skimmer really, it does not do any harm and can only do good. I think you may need to adjust it, as others have mentioned. Its hard to believe you can have a few fish and get no skimmate.
 
I don't know that particular skimmer, but I doubt it is too much for your tank. Most decent skimmers rated for 300 gallons are actually about right for a 210, IMO.

And I agree, no reason, really, not to run it since you have it. I understand you might be tempted to sell it, but a skimmer is great insurance, and it does oxygenate the water.
 
For the most part, and I am generally speaking, I believe that either one, or the other is best.

By that I mean, run a big skimmer 24-7, and have a fuge to mop up whatever is left over - or do away with the skimemr altogether and just run with macro.

The former is pretty much the "safe" bet and it is what most everyone does. No need to go on about it.... its well covered.

The latter, on the other hand, is an idea all too often shot down by nay sayers, who, with the greatest of resepct, do not really knw enough about it to comment in an educated way other than a few guys they know said it was a bad idea, so they just do along with it...... this statement does not apply to everyone, of course.

Why do I think "one or the other", well in principle the concepts directly oppose each other. Skimmers strip mine the water column indiscriminantly - taking out the good with the bad..... skimmerless tanks have alot more micro fauna (critters etc.). If you are trying to deal with nutrients then these little critters form an important part of the "machine". Not only that, but skimmers remove some of the other trace elements that macro needs to grow. The key to a macro based system is strong algae growth, obvisouly - the more it grows, the more you harvest, the more is removed.

So - by skimming, you are directly impacting both the natural fauna in the water coloumn that would break down waste into a form that macro can use, and you are depriving the macro of trace elements it needs to grow.

Am I advocating that everyone should ditch their skimmers and let their fuge take over - absolutely not! What I am saying is decide - either your tank is a "natural" type system or a skimmer skimmer system - then commit to either method compeltely, and you will have a good stable system.

Which is best - there are distinct pro's and con's to both in my view. The main advantage to a skimmer system is its ability to rapidly adapt - for example if you have lionfish and feed heavily twice a week, then a skimmer can deal with the surge in waste more quickly. Macro based systems however can be more stable, less maintenance, more efficient at mopping up nitrate and phosphate, providing "softer" environments for more delicate species, and are much QUIETER! Both camps will argue that the others has more "risk" - the skimmer camp will argue if the macro crashes, the world will end...... the macro camp argue that if a specialist impeller or pump part breaks you could be weeks without a skimmer...... both arguements have their relative merits and mitigations....... in my view they are about the same, and for a lightly stocked tank - are probably better.

HTH

MAtt
 
Thanx for the comments everyone....especially matt for taking the time to think about it that much for me.

I couldn't tell you why I don't skim. But I've had this thing for at least a year, and can't get it to skim anything but very wet...I know it's not the skimmer cause I know other people with it and it skims like crazy. I've tried everything from adjusting it hundreds of times, to different feed pumps and such. Nothing makes a difference.

I've thought about the water level which is really high when my sump is full...but the guy that makes these told me that shouldn't matter one bit. I believe him, he knows more about skimmers than me.

I just think I'm ready to try something different.
 
I planning on running my in-planning semi-aggressive reef skimmerless, particularly because I want as much live plankton in the water column as possible. I plan on running for six months or so, then taking stock and comparing to skimmed tanks.
 
Balance is the key. You can have a heavy load of fish in an aquarium with the right amount of bio diversity backing up the load. Bio-filtration will adapt to the load if you give it the room and time to do so.The more you feed the bio filtration the more it will grow and consume the feed.
 
If you wanted to keep that skimmer i would post over in the equipment forum to get some help setting it up. no way a sendra 9000 is to much for a 220gal tank that thing should be skimming like crazy. Looks like a real nice skimmer i would atleast try posting over there see if they can help you out.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12587331#post12587331 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by johnnyblaze313
If you wanted to keep that skimmer i would post over in the equipment forum to get some help setting it up. no way a sendra 9000 is to much for a 220gal tank that thing should be skimming like crazy. Looks like a real nice skimmer i would atleast try posting over there see if they can help you out.

If it is the case that there is currently litttle or no other form of nutrient extract system i.e. refugium or similar, then I would concur it should be skimming "like crazy" - however, if there is a healthy, established, and growing bed of macro somehwere in the system, it may well be "out competing" the skimmer for organics to skim..... if you know what I mean....

Anecdotal account - I ran a 180 (6x2x2) tank for a few years, with a very small, old fashioned skimmer and a nice healthy macro algae bed. I had a low bioload (from memory I had 3 tangs, a flame angel, a goby and a clownfish), typical amounts of LR, and practically no sand (less than 20lbs). The skimmer, and old "Berlin Classic" made by Red Sea Fish Pharms was, by modern standards, a pretty inefficient contraption..... but I ran it more for areation purposes more than anything else - it skimmed practically nothing at all...... but my macro algae thrived! Nitrates etc. were always at aroun 0-1ppm, I never had any nuisance anlgae, soft corals thrived...... the "system" worked very well. The point of the story is this - that little skimmer, as old and inefficent as it was, was perfectly capable of skimming - it had always done in the past - on a smaller tank (75 gal) I had to empty the cup daily....... it should have been producing lots of skimmate (relatively) - but the macro just effectively shut it down....... that was not the intention when I set the tank up, but it is how things ended up.

Anyway, HTH

Matt
 
thanx again guys...the skimmer is gone. In event that things go nuts. I'm going to get a Beruda 3c...and mount it outside my sump. Cheers.
 
I still think the more methods of filtration the better if you can find a balance between them all. My last tank was the most successful tank I ever kept. I only had it running for about 7-8 months but never HAD to do a water changein that time...I did one because I felt I should. My nitrates were undetectable except once when they peaked a 5 after a fish died in my tank. This 130G tank was quite well stocked too with a 6" porcupine puffer, 4.5" narrow lined puffer and a 4"green spotted puffer, 6" goby, few damsels, butterfly, hawkfish and a Kole tang.

As for filtration, 40G sump with bubblemaster 200 skimmer, 200 mg/hr ozone and a 40G refugium with mangroves, chaeto, caulpera, 60 lbs LR and xenia. The display tank was also planted with about a dozen types of macro algae and lots of soft corals. I did have to dose iron for all the macro.

Anyways, this is the most filtration I have ever had by far and the easiest tank I have ever kept with some of the biggest, messy fish I have ever had. The combo of a large skimmer and large refugium is the way to go in my experience.
 
I agree, redundancy and variety in filtration is a good thing. That's why I like to have skimmer/refugium combinations.
 
just as an addendum - I was at a friends house the other day, he has a "miracle mud" type set up - been running for well over a year now - there is nothing in the world would make him revert to a skimemr system.
His tank is silent, his sump is packed full of macro - his water is like gin its so clear..... and he does nothing to his tank - I mean it is the most under-maintained tank I know of........

Sticking with my skimmer for now though :)
 
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