Still born fry?

vlangel

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Hi everyone, yesterday Adam gave birth to still born fry. I have never read of this and it was very troubling to me. I am assuming that something is not right in the tank so I did a large water change. I will do another today. I had done a deep clean of the sides of the tank and sand 2 days ago. Adam, Eve, the pipefish, the Atlantic cucumber, peppermint shrimp and snails all seem healthy and fine. Has anyone else ever had this happen?
 
Yes it can happen. I have seen it and had customers report it happening on occasion. In most instances, they go back to give viable fry. Usually a one off instance. I don't know if anyone has truly identified a cause and I suspect there can be several causes.

Dan
 
Yes it can happen. I have seen it and had customers report it happening on occasion. In most instances, they go back to give viable fry. Usually a one off instance. I don't know if anyone has truly identified a cause and I suspect there can be several causes.

Dan
Thank you Dan for your response. That helps me feel more at ease about everything. I am running a large protein skimmer, (180g) in my 65g system plus I always run fresh carbon 24/7 so those should help take up any toxins that may have been released. A week or so ago I moved a lot of rockwork in the reef tank, (to catch and re-home 2 anthias) that is plumbed into the same sump as the seahorse tank so maybe that stirred up something? I have been feeding live brine shrimp enriched with Dan's feed and Sanolife mic-F to give the seahorses an added boost. Their appetites are excellant and their color is too. All appears well so I am optimistic that this is not a trend. Adam has had robust large fry almost monthly since Oct. when I got he and Eve.
 
Yes it can happen. I have seen it and had customers report it happening on occasion. In most instances, they go back to give viable fry. Usually a one off instance. I don't know if anyone has truly identified a cause and I suspect there can be several causes.

Dan
Dan, is it normal for a male seahorse's pouch to look sunk in a week or so after delivering fry? Adam's pouch is not full looking like it usually is. He did not court after this batch of stillborn fry either. I have been doing much bigger WCs, (50% a week), wiping down everything, feeding live adult brine shrimp enriched with Dan's feed and sanolife mic along with their frozen mysis and adding Seachem stability with each WC. He is not exhibiting weak snick, lack of appetite and any sores. His color and skin look good. The parameters and temperature of my tank are all good. Am I worrying over nothing? Adam has always courted immediately after delivering fry and I guess it's his disinterest in courtship that has me most alarmed.
 
I read on another forum about gfo possibly being dangerous. I had been using it so I wonder if that may have anything to do with Adam's condition. I had removed it a week ago and will not be using it again.
 
I think you are going to have to take a wait and see approach. I don't know of any research on this issue. I have hundreds of peer reviewed studies and many deal with pregnancies and fry but not this specific issue. Even if he misses a couple of normal breeding cycles, it still won't be definitive as H. erectus can take breaks. In the wild they are believed to be somewhat seasonal in breeding. As long as he acts healthy and normal otherwise, I would wait it out.

I don't know about the GFO as I have never used it.
 
I think you are going to have to take a wait and see approach. I don't know of any research on this issue. I have hundreds of peer reviewed studies and many deal with pregnancies and fry but not this specific issue. Even if he misses a couple of normal breeding cycles, it still won't be definitive as H. erectus can take breaks. In the wild they are believed to be somewhat seasonal in breeding. As long as he acts healthy and normal otherwise, I would wait it out.

I don't know about the GFO as I have never used it.

Ok, thank you for a response. That is what I will do...I will just wait and see. I had sort of decided since Adam looks healthy and is eating well it would be better to leave him in the display with his mate rather than move him into a QT. Anyway, I would not even know what to treat him for since he is swimming and eating normal. I will continue the enriched brine shrimp as it can't hurt and I like my pair to get that anyway.
 
Well just to update everyone, Adam and Eve danced the other evening and I think he is pregnant again. He had a smug content look on his face and some orange eggs were in front of his pouch on the caulerpa.
 
That is great! Mark the calendar. Are you planning on raising these ones?
Unfortunately they will probably arrive the 21st and we won't be back from visiting our son until the 23rd. I have been giving all my fry away since his first batch. I may raise some this winter though. It ties you down so much but then you know all about that too.
 
The first batch I split with a local reefer. All of his died from bacterial infection. The rest I have given to a lfs owner who has one of his customers raising them with the promise she can have a couple. She has gotten multiple batches of 100 or so each time but I think she is having limited success with them. The first batch she got ought to be getting close to maturity now. Her and the lfs owner live 2 hours away so I don't hear news except when he comes to pick up new seahorse fry.
 
It is nice that your giving them away, since many do not have the time and let the filtration system gobble them up.

I was experimenting with full size frozen foods yesterday and they would attack the large PE Mysis like it was candy. It was funny to watch and I realized they are strong snickers, at such a young age (just some extra info, but will go back to the enriched shaved).
 
I would think if they are going after PE mysis that would be good for them. That is awesome about them having a strong snick. I would think that is an indication of good health in general. Good job redhorse!
 
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