***Taking the trim off a tank ???***
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WinkeyWoneye
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I dont think its a wise idea reguardless of what those tanks are...The diffrence..those tanks are built and designed that way, yours on the other hand was not. You are so quick to defend your position on the matter than why waste time in posting? Obviously no one else opinion matter much to you. So all I can say is try it, when the tank blows apart please post it up here so we can all give you a big " I TOLD YOU SO"
Be sure to include pics too, I want something visually stimulating to make me laugh my @%$ off when it happens. Tanks that have plastic trim were designed for the plastic trim to be a brace. Most euro-braced style tanks I have seen still have a small plastic trim around the outside, with glass running along the insides to eliminate a center brace.
Be sure to include pics too, I want something visually stimulating to make me laugh my @%$ off when it happens. Tanks that have plastic trim were designed for the plastic trim to be a brace. Most euro-braced style tanks I have seen still have a small plastic trim around the outside, with glass running along the insides to eliminate a center brace.
captbunzo
Premium Member
That was the most disrespectful, uncivilized, and down right trashy post I have read around here in a long run, WinkeyWoneye.
SaveOurReefs came to the forum with a question. He referenced some tanks and then backed up his statements with facts that they WERE actually glass and silicone (the fancy european tanks). And then he let us know that he wasn't going to do it as he recognized the inherent risk.
In short, everything you said was not ONLY rude, but also incorrect. I believe you owe an apology both to SaveOurReefs, but also to this forum in general for your confrontation and insulting behavior.
Please sir, have some class.
WinkeyWoneye
Premium Member
OK, but usually when people post something, it is to see other peoples takes on the matter. But when you start bashing other peoples opinions that they were nice enough to give you in the first place, than whats the point in posting? Just my 2 cents disrespectful or not. I really hope Saveourreefs does not do this as I'm pretty sure it will be catastrophic results. Thats the point I'm tryin to get too. I'm sorry for being a jerk about it Saveourreefs but just trying to get you to really absorb what everyone around you is saying. I never said those tanks were not glass, what I did say was they are designed to be that way as your Oceanic was not. Those tanks do look very nice, but it almost looks to me as if the black on the sides is actually a plastic trim holding the corners together, rather than a black silicone. Silicone alone will not hold glass that is under severe pressure. If you dont believe me or anyone else above that stated the same, than try it I guess.
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captbunzo
Premium Member
Thank you VERY much for responding so graciously, WinkeyWoneye.
If you read above carefully, I think you should be able to see that SaveOurReefs DID acknowledge that others were right and it was a bad idea to do this to to his tank. He was just trying to point out that it IS possible to build a tank that way. I really think that others were a bit difficult with him, not the other way around...
Anyways, I apologize if I was too harsh about this. And thank you again for your response here.
If you read above carefully, I think you should be able to see that SaveOurReefs DID acknowledge that others were right and it was a bad idea to do this to to his tank. He was just trying to point out that it IS possible to build a tank that way. I really think that others were a bit difficult with him, not the other way around...
Anyways, I apologize if I was too harsh about this. And thank you again for your response here.
WinkeyWoneye
Premium Member
Nah you werent too harsh, though I may have been with my first post. 
Thanks for makin me realize I was being a jerk. 
Thanks for makin me realize I was being a jerk. 
lalc
New member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8142718#post8142718 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marks.henry
The glass tanks without any bracing are awesome. They look alot like the acrylic ones so its understandable that he got confused. We got a 100g glass tank without bracing a few weeks ago, here is a pic of it the day after everything was transfered from our 50g and new live rock added.
It seems that the black silicon is the sealent over whatever actually holds the joints together.
Could you please submit some up close pic's of the corners of your tank?
As per your post "black silicon is the sealant over whatever actually holds the joints together."
P.S. Is it your opinion that more then just silicone holding your tank together.
Thanks
ok, wow, im not going to flame anyone, but some of you guys need to chill. anyway:
the oceanic 58 plastic trim is only there to look good and support the glass top. you can go ahead and remove it with no problems, ive done it on two. you will however need to clean all the silicone that holds it on and that is a total pain in the neck. a few brand new razors and an hour or twon and you'll be fine. the tank WILL NOT blow out or even bow the slightest bit. that plastic frame does nothing structually. i think a lot of people here think you are talking about a centerbrace, which would be a problem. but the 58 does not have one so go ahead and have fun.
the oceanic 58 plastic trim is only there to look good and support the glass top. you can go ahead and remove it with no problems, ive done it on two. you will however need to clean all the silicone that holds it on and that is a total pain in the neck. a few brand new razors and an hour or twon and you'll be fine. the tank WILL NOT blow out or even bow the slightest bit. that plastic frame does nothing structually. i think a lot of people here think you are talking about a centerbrace, which would be a problem. but the 58 does not have one so go ahead and have fun.
WinkeyWoneye
Premium Member
I wasnt thinking of center braced tanks. I read that it had no center brace. I just dont see how silicone alone is going to hold the glass together when its full of water. I find it hard to believe the plastic trim doesnt help hold the corners of the tank together. Maybe I'm wrong as is everyone else here. Either way I would seriously proceed with extreme caution. As others stated try it outside on a tank other than your main one. Good luck with it
SaveOurReefs
Member
Well I would like to first say thank you all for you responses. I wish that I didn’t even start the post in the first place to tell you the truth(and if a moderator sees this thread please feel free to delete it) .
As you can see I have been on this board since 02' and have less than 300 posts, and I think part of that is just because it seems like its been more of a "who knows what" battle or contest , and that there has been more bashing and arguing than I have seen anywhere else.
I admit that I probably wasn’t listening to people at first because I wanted to have that look so bad! lol . I also would like to say that, if in fact I hadn’t seen this type of tank in person, I probably wouldn’t grasp the concept that a tank can be held together in this manner.
I would like to end by saying that I am sorry if I offended any body some how? And that my opinion might have been the wrong one about taking the brace off, but I did say in my second post that I wont be trying this out on my personal tank anyways. Also I am sorry if you don’t believe me about the trim less tanks, I really don’t know why the arguing was taking place as I was not stating a personal opinion, but rather an actual fact.
If you feel there is anything that needs to be discussed or talked about in more detail then please feel free to pm me, that way we can let this thread fade away and die with all the other less-needed and argumentative ones.
Again thank you, and sorry to those of you that feel they need an apology some how.
-Tim B.
As you can see I have been on this board since 02' and have less than 300 posts, and I think part of that is just because it seems like its been more of a "who knows what" battle or contest , and that there has been more bashing and arguing than I have seen anywhere else.
I admit that I probably wasn’t listening to people at first because I wanted to have that look so bad! lol
. I also would like to say that, if in fact I hadn’t seen this type of tank in person, I probably wouldn’t grasp the concept that a tank can be held together in this manner. I would like to end by saying that I am sorry if I offended any body some how? And that my opinion might have been the wrong one about taking the brace off, but I did say in my second post that I wont be trying this out on my personal tank anyways. Also I am sorry if you don’t believe me about the trim less tanks, I really don’t know why the arguing was taking place as I was not stating a personal opinion, but rather an actual fact.
If you feel there is anything that needs to be discussed or talked about in more detail then please feel free to pm me, that way we can let this thread fade away and die with all the other less-needed and argumentative ones.
Again thank you, and sorry to those of you that feel they need an apology some how.
-Tim B.
mitchellmoto
Member
Don't know if anyone is still watching this thread but I personal know of a Coral shop in El Paso, TX that has a seamless tank. It uses clear silicone not the back type. It is 90g and cost around $350. Next time I drive down there I will see if I can find out the maker..
It's all about construction. If a tank has thick enough glass, the brace isn't necessary. But you should assume that if it came with a brace, it's because the glass wasn't thick enough to be safe without it. Someone with more experience in engineering may be able to provide tables of how much thickness is required for how big a tank without bracing. Anything else is just speculation, and a flood looking for a place to happen.
lalc
New member
Nice explanation, A point not mentioned is that Oceanic tanks use thicker glass (what can I say, they don’t cut corners)
Another point is that with thicker glass there is more surface area for the silicone to adhere to thus giving it a larger mechanical advantage.
It can obviously be done, I will most likely attempt this myself---But you wont find me defacing/disassembling a Oceanic tank. (no offence to those that have)
I am a handyman by trade and I come across glass often enough to experiment with this for cost of silicone and glass cutting tools/charge.
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