Talk me out of the JBJ 602 LED AIO

Nick Shades

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Hello everyone,

Long time lurker here, intermediate aquarist (with heavy emphasis of 5 years planted tanks, only) with an ongoing urge to make a plunge into a saltwater tank.

I love rimless tanks, and my planted tanks emphasize this, as well as hiding every bit of hardware from their display that I possibly can - from drilling my own glass, to canister filtration to in line auxilliaries, the only thing i ever like to see in my tank is the scape and its inhabitants.

I love saltwater tanks, specifically reef tanks. My uncle had a 300 fowlr for years, but had someone come in, set it up, and maintain it when things got bad. He isnt the worst resource for information, but he is not the greatest either.

That being said, my perfect tank would a Midas Blenny, a peppermint shrimp, clown fish ans a paired simple coral, either soft or LPS.

Famous last words are often, "I'm not too into corals," but really I am not. I love the idea of paired organisms, and that is where my fascination ends.

Until my wife and I get a new home, I absolutely do not see myself wanting a tank larger than 60 gallons. 25 to 37 would be most ideal.

After a bit of reaearch, everything from price, to size, to its all in one features of the JBJ mt 602 28 gallon LED intermediate radiate its simplicity in what i am looking for in my first saltwater tank.

That being said, I'll disclose some of its minor caveats I imagine and perceive.

It doesnt come with a protein skimmer. I have the least experience on the planet with this aspect, because of my FW only background. I have a difficult time differentiating what makes one better than another, especially when confined to a mere few that will fit stock into this unit. I am no stranger to modding, but for my first tank to transition over to, I'd like to reduce, significantly, things to fetter over while I learn to dial in water chemistry and such.

It has a lid. I LOVE seemless scapes, and the ability to reach in easily and fix things, without making a chore what already can be. I DON'T enjoy evaporation, and for the sake of minimizing this, I see this as a lesser of two evils. I am no stranger to RO water top off, as I prefer to minimize water changes in my planted tanks, and when numbers are fine, all I do with them is top them off.

THE HUMUNGOUS FINANCIAL UPGRADE BARRIER. Without saying that I find it possible i could succumb to the merciless urges known as frag addiction, the nearly 100% price of a new retail unit for upgrading from the 602 to the 601 hood makes me nervous. I do not see myself jumping into SPS territory, and frankly, do not want to in a tank this size, but i do know that I have stood ready at the challenge to successfully grow plants on driftwood and rock that would otherwise be substrate only. IT is a tremendous feeling of accomplishment to do such things, and while I would prefer to not jump down its rabbit hole until I have the facility for a very large tank, part of me is more than aware of the little voice in my head that breathes the acronym, "SPS."

So with all those key points laid down, please, talk me out of this by suggesting a 25+ gallon, preferably cube and rimless alternative to the JBJ MT-602 which would cost fewer american dollars than $600 for aquarium setup (not including live rock, substrate, inhabitants, etc).

Thank you everyone! I look forward to reading your suggestions!

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These suggestions will bust your $600 budget if bought new but tanks from Innovative Marine, Red Sea & Elos would otherwise fit the bill. A system with a sump or an AIO ( all in one ) with a back chamber will allow you to hide almost all equipment with the exception of a powerheads and return nozzle.
 
I don't know if you live in a place with a decent used market on craigslist, but I would go there for a small setup. That would help you take the plunge without spending too much. You will easily be over $600 if you try to buy everything new.

In regards to corals, you can get corals very cheap if you go to frag swaps or wholesalers (again depending on area). I've went to plenty and got $5 frags when I was filling the tank. In a small tank, just do that once or twice and get 5-10 frags and watch them grow out! Corals end up being just as interesting (if not more) than the fish.
 
What do you mean by paired simple corals? I notice you say you like paired organisms. I'd look into a pistol shrimp/goby combo and a mini carpet anemone and sexy shrimp or anemone crab. Both are beneficial pairs that are suitable for small tanks.

JBJ doesn't seem like a bad tank, maybe also look into the biocube, one is sized right where you are looking for, and relatively inexpensive.
 
I mean clown/coral pairing, like hammer or frogspawn with clown.

Ive considered a pistol shrimp and goby combo, and might very well go that route, but right now have my heart set on a midas blenny (have for about 6 years).

At this point the arguments against the JBJ for my interests seem minimal at best, for the points that I have brought up.

I am leaning now, very heavily toward its purchase within the next month.

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Clowns don't naturally pair with corals. They may, but there is no guarantee. They naturally pair with carpet anemones, or bubble tip if you get a maroon clown. If you want a natural host, I'd do that. FWIW I have a hammer, frogspawn and torch, my clown pair associates with my overflow.
 
You don't want a clown seeking out and using a frogspawn or any hard coral as a host. They often kill them with all that attention. Get a BTA if you want that relationship.
 
I appreciate what the suggestions for the clown pairing are, and i understand the facet that is being dissected there, but bigger picture, months before i get there, please talk me out if the JBJ mt602 for the criteria i listed in the OP.

Preferably, id like alternatives to the jbj mt-602 suggested, as i currently have my setup with it priced just below $600 for complete mechanical cost.

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See Post #2. Add in the other similar AIO nano...oceanic biocube I think it's called?

Your choice is probably the lowest cost option when comparing apples to apples. Lots of people have them and like them. Many very accomplished SW aquarists started with one. Not likely to be talked out of it. But if you have more funds available bigger is truly better. A 65 expands your options.
 
After looking at two more options over the weekend (an sc 50 gallon AIO minus lights kit, and a piece together from scratch), i am now certain that my first SW will be the JBJ. I am very excited.

I will start a new thread for the build.
 
My LFS (local fish store) had a nice clean 20 gallon all in one on sale, lights included with a lid and clean lines, for $220. I am debating whether or not to get that as my QT tank, any independent lfs by you may have a similar option. The included options with this AIO aren't top shelf, but could give you a decent launchpad to start.
 
I bought the jbj in late may. It has been setup, and i currently have some gsp, favia, zoas, palys candycanes, yuma ricordia, xenia, kenya tree, hammer, and even some sps. I am amazed at how well this tank does out of the box. I also got the aqua c remora skimmer and find it phenomenal.

I have two ocellaris, and just purchased my Midas Blenny yesterday!

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