This is interesting

Karl,

It's not strictly enforced in the club forums. We're really only after the folks that sign up, figure out that they can't post in the selling forums and the start spamming the regional forums.

Generally, in club forums, we rely on the club members to help police those threads. In the case of the thread that you mentioned it was reported by members of that club.

Cheers
 
I see.

I know some club members in our forum would like to see less of this happening. It's good to know that they'll be able to make this type of request.

Thanks, Doug.
 
If we were to implement this in this forum, we should put a sticky up saying the requirement's for posting 4 sale threads.

I think they had a good point, to have the ability to post, you should have atleast so many posts. So atleast we know they are truly here to mingle with us and not just dump there stuff on us.
 
It's already implemented; it's RC policy. ;)

Whether it's agressively enforced in your forum is largely in the hands of MARS members
 
My vote may not count here, as I have not been able to make a meeting in over a year, but I have always like it. Sure there is more activity to wade through, but this forum has been the primary source that I used to keep my tank stocked. It was easier than networking at meetings, even though I tried to make all of them, I tend to be the quiet guy. RC seems to be the easiest place to communicate, at least it sees the most activity.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8136999#post8136999 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
It's already implemented; it's RC policy. ;)

Whether it's agressively enforced in your forum is largely in the hands of MARS members

LOL thats what I was meaning, for us to put something up.
I know RC has a 50 post minimum to post 4 sells.

:cool:
 
Hi All,

It seems to me that would cause people to post just to get their count up . . . and I thought the reason to impose such a rule in this forum (MARS) was to limit the amount of stuff here. I would rather see the thread subject, and choose to bypass it, than have to wade through idle chat posts by someone getting their count up high enough to put something up for sale.

Larry

ps Only 48 more to go before I'm valid!
 
"I got off track with my comments below and considered not posting it, however have because of concerns that I have had over the last few months and events of late seem to be comming to a head, I hope that an honest and genuine plea for some change may not fall on deaf ears. I do so only for my interest in the MARS club in general, a MARS member, and this forum here. I do not do so to start controversy, "stir the pot", nor be a "trouble maker", but rather hope that my honest thoughts may open a dialog to change what is going on."

My opinion is and I hope that is apparent by my comments as of late, is that I like reeftanks.....and that is all I am interested in. I am interested in your problems, trials....successes and sometimes failures of being in this hobby and nothing more or less....all the rest can be buried somewhere else for all I care.

Though this is not the "official" meeting place of MARS I think many people, including myself do not make it to the meetings and this is our main interaction with the club. I value it extremely and think it is an excellent medium for interaction with the club members and interested local reefers.

To understand why I would like a change to the FS thread listings and that it is part of the bigger picture add to the fire and need to explain how I see the forum as a whole as of late and how these contribute to the problem.

I myself don't mind the "FS" threads, but at the root of it, I feel it distracts the look of the page and pushes the real topics and true purpose of this forum/club to the side when bombarded with FS ads. Conversly, one could arque that this is the place for it and good deals should be offered here rather another place. I agree with this especially if it is a fellow MARS member or soon to be one doing the selling and "keeping it in the family".

FT ads I believe should be encouraged more than FS because I think it promotes more of a oppurtunity to barter and share your "bounty" with your fellow reefer and especially MARS member, and a common interest because your tanks are now linked and so on.....but I digress......

I believe that a sticky would be the best place for these ads and let anyone post there that wishes, that way we can troll for local deals on a local forum rather on the main RC level and keep the main goal to: "promote, create and enlarge the hobby of keeping, propagating, appreciating and exhibiting marine organisms.", at the top of the forum page.....

I believe that by doing this could attract others to browse the forum, participate and grow the club......case in point, I submit my personal experience.....

I admit that I have not been a MARS member for very long, but am concerned what is going on here as of late. I considered joining this club for a very long time (nearly a year),did not post a SINGLE comment here during that time until I was....my point is that the dialog and connections between the members made me WANT to be a part of this. Had this forum been filled with the LFS politics and bashing, missing/deleted threads, and generally non supportive dialog......I may have considered otherwise, hence my theory of the virtual ghost town this has place has become(ing).

I would like to see changes such as to the F.S. ads for this very, very simple reason....."I like fishtanks!!!" I believe all of the concerns as of late, (LFS bashing threads, this B.O.D. stuff, etc), takes away from the real reason why we are all here in the first place.

I personally want to see threads of titled: "Check out my tank pics" and that "Karl (Unarce) has a coral named after him",(very cool and great for MARS)....rather than the above drama.

I know this is long, and very idealistic but I hope that I am not the only person that feels this way and hopefully we can turn this around and get back to "the good ol days" that I have heard many speak of fondly.

There is a large collective wisdom here that I truely appreciate and hope it does continue to thrive......however it seems that there is only a select few engaging on this forum now......I believe we are at a crossroads in our organization and the time is NOW to start changing it for the better. I would like to change things such as these FS threads for the bigger picture overall as I have tried to explain as I see things, in hope to bring others back into participating and make this a more positive place to be.

Thank You, and see you around the reef!!!
 
Although I take the other position on the FS posts, I must admit that was well said.

I think a good comprimise that would actually serve both interests, would be to create a sub-forum of the MARS forum for FS and FT posts. From a technical standpoint, I don't even know if that is possible or how to go about that, but the idea would remain to keep deals in-house and local deals would not be burried in the national deals of the regular FS and FT forums.
 
Are there that many FS people on here? I have been here for several months and yet to see all this?

It's kinda funny how some people are against people posting FS threads if under 50 posts but yet there is a newer thread started last night and the guy is under 50 posts but some of these people are wanting stuff from him. I don't get it.

Why not let them post here? It is benefiting us, isn't it?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8146783#post8146783 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
Are there that many FS people on here? I have been here for several months and yet to see all this?

It's kinda funny how some people are against people posting FS threads if under 50 posts but yet there is a newer thread started last night and the guy is under 50 posts but some of these people are wanting stuff from him. I don't get it.

Why not let them post here? It is benefiting us, isn't it?

Yes you have only been here for a few months, most of this was happening before you came.

The main concern as many have said and will continue to say is what Sacramentodots perfectly said. It pushes the main topics down adn all we see is FS.... I MEan one person posted 4 FS threads. thats alot.

Yes we want to see and keep it with in the reef community, but New people to come on and just dump there stuff of, because they dont have the time or the system crashed. Those are the tests of the hobby. GO thru with it, dont just give up and dump your stuff on other people.

What I think is there should be a a FS sticky with Instructions on how to post and what to do....

The instructions could be something like this.

#1 Must have the min. 50 post rule that RC has to post ( this encourages people to come here and talk and interact with others.)

#2 All sales and questions will be done thru PM, to keep the thread to a minimum ( Less Clutter)

#3 the Poster will say all items have been sold, once it is done.

#4 pictures can be included in the post.

#5 any person not following the instructions will have the post deleted.

Thats something I would like to see happen.


If you want something like this, we need to bring this up to the President. It has once before, but nothing came out of it.
 
i've been on here for awhile. I don't have issue with FS thread. There isn't much traffic going thru MARS forum to concern me where other topic are getting push off "page 1". As kdblove_99 state, there's currently a FS thread where the seller is under 50 post and yet potential buyer are "all over the thread." So does rule not apply if it has something someone need.

IMO, the sticky FS thread would be a "pain-in-@@@" to maintain over time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8147679#post8147679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by loup
i've been on here for awhile. I don't have issue with FS thread. There isn't much traffic going thru MARS forum to concern me where other topic are getting push off "page 1". As kdblove_99 state, there's currently a FS thread where the seller is under 50 post and yet potential buyer are "all over the thread." So does rule not apply if it has something someone need.

IMO, the sticky FS thread would be a "pain-in-@@@" to maintain over time.

Perfectly Said!

It's not like there are all Kinds of pressing topics going through here.

I still don't get it. Why are these people talking about these rules and how they need attention but yet they are some of the first to get in on thread where count is under 50?

It's like, well its not enforced yet so i wll take advantage of it even though i say something else?

One word "Hypocrite"
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8147713#post8147713 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kdblove_99
Perfectly Said!

It's not like there are all Kinds of pressing topics going through here.

I still don't get it. Why are these people talking about these rules and how they need attention but yet they are some of the first to get in on thread where count is under 50?

It's like, well its not enforced yet so i wll take advantage of it even though i say something else?

One word "Hypocrite"
Yet you want people to post more, but then you respond like that....

Her I'm sorry lets all bow down to the FS people and not try to have some sort of organized forum....

Out of 25 threads, which is not counting the pinned threads, 8 are FS threads thats 1/3 of the threads. So just because other people dont post on here, we should let the life be FS threads.

These are some things the Members want, IMHO if your not a Member yet. You shouldnt have a comment, this is something members have been trying but Higher officials havent responded at all, more then less are here to do anything about it.

(yes go ahead and be all pi$$y at me for my OPINIONS)....

And what is wrong with being organized.... are you anti-organized people. We could be like NVR and say NO FS THREADS at all, but we are trying to organize and people are complaining about it.....

and to combat the PIA response, Once a month a Mars member can ask for it to be cleaned out or to make is simple.... But wait, if you PM the person, then you will have there info in your inbox or wait even better Copy the link with copy and paste and save it to a notepad file..... Or the old fashioned waym A pen and Sticky yellow paper or any paper and right down the page it is on and sticky it to your monitor.... There are plenty of ways for you to do something so it wont be a PIA to find the 4sale post.....

but you have to have the motivation first to do it....

Ok im dont with my rant now, I feel better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Wow. So, if you havn't signed up for mars yet you opinion isn't valued. Do you speak for all Mars members now?

I play softball on fridays right now so i cannot attend any meetings and if you have been on the Mars website you would see the Sign up isn's working.

I posted last night in the by laws about getting a membership somehow even though i cant get to meetings right now.

By the way you are the one complaining about cleaning all this up but quick to get in last nights thread with a guy that has under 50 posts? Whats up with that?
 
Man! If you guys new all the stuff Ive been wanting to sell. I've been hardcore holding back.

Seems as some of you newer people may have felt a strong frontal force against the FS threads, and in that short time you may think I'm at the epicenter of this "hating". I can honestly say I have shared your feelings. In fact I remember saying to Rich about 6-9 months ago on this subject"whats the problem?Not like theres any serious threads getting pushed to the bottom lately, no ones talking. Let the FS threads come!" Not in those exact words but that was the general feeling.

Then a few months prior to you new guys, they would just not stop, and I couldnt even start a thread saying "hello?" without it getting pushed down to page 2 by the end of the day. It still didnt get to me as bad cuz Im a looky-loo, but what did get to me is the snith comments from so many members including non-members, and ultimately looking like a ghosttown. Thats why I chose to stir the pot, and play devil's advocate and get it out in the open and lets talk about it and decide what we as a club want to do about it. I asked Marc to just throw it on the idea table and see if theres a sollution. Lot of stuff has happend since then, so Im sure it's in the limbo box now, untill we have an established governing board to bring this up to again, if indeed it needs addressing.

Seems like I scared most of ya though :D
Now who wants to buy my frags?:lol2:

-Justin
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8148393#post8148393 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
Not like theres any serious threads getting pushed to the bottom lately, no ones talking.

That is my main motivation for suggesting a change....I don't really care about trolling over the FS ads, but I think it looks more like a classified setting rather than a conversational lounge that is inviting.

I think that curbing these and the "trash talking" threads could create a more inviting atmosphere that would lend to more productive and participative enviroment. Kinda the chicken or egg problem.....does quality topics push out the crap, or vice versa? In short it would help the MARS community on RC and strengthen it, which is my major concern. But if the majority pefers, I am behind it which ever way it goes....I just would like an oppurtunity to voice my concerns.....thank you

On thier own merit, no these FS are not a problem....but combined with everything else....the sum of the parts are one.
Debating this subject on it own merit, the status quo will remain.
 
I didn't realize this was going to stir up a debate. I just knew a select few felt very strong about the FS threads, and wanted to point out that they had an option of removing the ones that didn't meet a certain criteria.

This is a club forum, but it's also a public forum that just so happens to cover a certain area. I do think that local members and non-members should have the freedom to post FS threads. It never really bothered me, as I have the choice to click or not to click on a FS thread. I do respect the opinion of those who'd like to preserve this forum for 'reefing' topics.

It's been mentioned before, this has been a rough summer for many. Justin's tank barely made it through its ordeal, but the same cannot be said for many others. Unfortunately, a lot of people felt they needed to move on. Again, I don't want to see the forum flooded with sales, but I think the recent influx coincided with these events.

I think we all can agree, this hobby is a money pit. I'd much rather have a crack at a good bargain, as opposed to having it thrown out:D

Justin - waiting patiently for your first FS post;)
 
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