What Are the Lowest Common Denominators of Feeding?

herring_fish

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I over fed my tank in the early 90's, in an attempt to grow NPS coral and I largely got away with it. There were mostly powders that I experimented with. I put so much in that you couldn't see 5 inches into the tank. In the last few years, people have been having success with more and more varieties of corals with newer and better feeding regiments including automation.

I have an algae turf scrubber(ATS), with new stronger lights so I have been conservative with the feeding. Now it won't grow algae, just a little slime in the tray. Never the less, the nitrates (N) and phosphates (P) are staying low. I cut the lighting in half and still, no algae and no increase of N or P. Next step? Start over feeding.

I figure that if I jump from 3ml of phyto paste, a couple of frozen cubes and a couple of pinches of powdered food to ...say, adding more phyto and a cup of food, what should that food be?

From there, I will keep going up until I get good growth. Then I will take the lighting back up to the max and add more feeding. One nice thing about and ATS is that the food stays in suspension for a long time. At this point, I am thinking that I will have a lot of capacity as far as nutrient removal is concerned. This brings me to what should be in a slurry?

I see a lot of products on the market. Unfortunately, I don't want to read up on all of the information supplied by all of the different companies because a lot of it is just hype. On the other hand, I don't want to make any assumptions that aren't true or over look something that really is important. That is why I am asking you guys and gals. Rather that asking what is the most trusted company or the highest rated ones, I would like to look at what is inside the best products and what works when they are home made.

From what I see, when you boil it down, most of these products fall into just a few categories.
1. I know that lots of corals like phytoplankton so I can buy live phyto , concentrated liquid or powders.
2. Other corals like zoo-plankton so I can feed rotifers and artemia even though it is dead. Of course live plankton would be much better. I understand that many of these corals use a feeding response to capture this food.
3. There are powders with that supper secret sauce that are said to be made of everything from yeast to the magic bullet. They do have different particles sizes that might appeal to different corals.
4.Then there are bacteria liquids and powders and dosing of vodka, vinegar and others carbon sources. Some people think that some corals consume bacteria directly or it contributes to the food chain.
5. Finally, I've been told that grinding fish, shrimp, oysters and other sea food in a blender can be a good part of a balance breakfast. While that would provide a good source of protein, I wonder if different sized polyps would have a feeding response and get any nutrition from it. I would guess that filter feeders would like it but what about carnivorous feeders?

Can I successfully raise a wide variety of non-photosynthetic corals on phyto concentrate, home grown live rotifers, artemia, pods along with liquefied seafood? What else would you suggest that is needed?
 
I feed my suns and dendros mysid, brine, Rod's Original/Pacific Plankton/Fish Eggs and Cyclopeeze; all soaked in Selcon, Zoe or Vita Chem. The only dry I give those are Fauna Marin LPS Pellets. My terrazoanthids, spirals, gorgonians and sponges, I give a mixture of extremely fine (virtually liquified) homemade mix, pureed Rod's, Fish Eggs, Cyclopeeze and baby brine; all fortified with the above as well. I add whichever one(s) I'm feeding that day to phyto, as a base. Dry, I use Fauna Marin Sea Fan/Ultra MinF and Zoa Powder (works great on them all)

I don't know that it answers your specifics but out should certainly grow algae on your scrubber! Currently, I have a 30g sump, with 1/3 of it as a fuge under that tank and have to trim about a basketball sized clump of chaeto/ulva/caulerpa out of it every 3 weeks or so
 
Thanks for the help.

Ok, from what I see here, I need to add mysids. Because of the trouble of growing them, I would need to buy them along with the phyto. The same goes for adding fish and oyster eggs. I also have to remember to fortify my rotifers, brine shrimp and any other zoo-plankton that I can raise. I have bought some stuff for that and hope that it works. I hope that lots of rotifers and brine shrimp will go a long way in the feeding, if fed in large enough amounts.

I guess that Rod's products would help to add a wide range of sizes but I hope to use it as a supplement and not a center piece.

Do you think that fish in a blender will help feed the corals? Let use set aside for a moment whether it would quickly fowl the tank or not. I could also add squid, shrimp, oysters, and clams. Krill, if blended is about the same as shrimp, I would think?

What do you think is the bases for what is in Fauna Marin Sea Fan/Ultra MinF and Zoa Powder?
 
in my 25g cube i feed daily

3 cubes a mix of mysis/pacifica planton frozen(mostly target fed)

1 ouce of phytoplankton x twice daily

fauna marin ultra clam,fauna marin min f, fauna marin sea fan,fauna marin zoa food.
the fauna marin products above are mixed with 2l of tank water and freezedried cyclopeeze and nls reef micro feeder. about 1-2 cups a day is added directly to the system and about 2l a week.


i run a skimmer rated for 200g and 450g , and very large amounts of gfo that i worked up to plus large water changes.

i have:

purple tube anemone
yellow polyp gorg(menella sp.)
blue berry gorg
dendros
suncorals
carnations

the dendros and suncorals are fed everyday during daylight hours and have become use to that.

the gorgs especially the blueberry requires food in the water column which may as well be 24/7 if i forget to add food to the tank in the morning the gorgs are the first to show.

dosers are available to add food if travel or work calls, and i have a couple on standby when needed:)


my tank is a full blown mixed reef with sps ,lps and zoa dominated, all my nps corals are out all day feeding all day and night and have grown alot.
 
Wow that is very heartening. How long have you had the tank up and running?

It looks like I will need to feed a lot more food. My tank is a 130G so I would need to put in 5 times that much food.

I tried blending up some fish and freezing it. I poured the mixture into paper cupcake holder set into cupcake pans. Then I put the pans in the freezer.
I poured a remaining cup of the concoction into the tank before freezing the rest and that worked pretty well, as far as I could tell. On the other hand, after dropping a frozen cup of food, into the tank and went to bed. The next night, most of it had sunk to the bottom of the tank in a clump. It was covered in a thin coating of mucus like slim, web or pouch. It was mostly intact. Of course, it was fully thawed but loosely held together. Apparently, the star didn't go after it, nor did the hermit crabs.

I scooped most of it out and threw it away. I guess that big 1 cup sized chunk didn't break down quickly enough like cubes do. I will continue to experiment with this, trying a mort watery blend but my first effort was not encouraging.
 
the system is 6yrs old and recently downgraded to a 25g display from a 90, the total system is 100g (tank,sump,growtank)so not 25g in total.

what kind of corals are you trying to feed in case i missed it??
 
its actually a very easy system to run basically in the morning i add phyto,tigger pod culture, 1 cup of the 2l mix,vit c and then some mysis.

i have in an ice cube tray frozen cubes of my 2l mix , using a feeding ring i drop a few cubes in and they thaw out releasing small amounts of food, i also have a eggcrate lid on my tank so i fill a turkey baster and let it sit and it gravity feeds food to the corals for about 2 hrs.

in the evening i add some more mysis, and a shot of coral food liquid(coral snow,polyp lab)

before bed is another shot of phyto and another cup of the 2lmix.



heavy skimming, large amounts of gfo and large water changes keep my water in check....no algae.

because of the dense amount of food thats in the tank its going to cause some issues that are harder to deal with than water params.

pests are going to populate faster, different types of macro algaes and sponges are going to appear everywhere , and natural cuc members are gonna explode , so lots of stars,pods(good and bad)worms etc.


i found a small display and a large backroom system was easier then trying to feed things in a large tank.
 
oh and lots of flow , i dont like downward flow from the top so i have the flow down low in the tank and then rise
 
I want to also have a mixed reef set up. As I said I have been trying to grow NPS since the early 90's. Of course, I had only been successful with the lower orders of them. I mostly used powders back then and there wasn't any affordable automation.
Right now, I am waiting until my system is ready for the harder corals. I have a few sub-systems, some of which are very automated, that are about to go on line that will help stabilize parameters and provide a steady stream of live rotifers and brine shrimp.
Until then, I'll use the extra time to just experiment with foods that I can buy in a more unprocessed form and try to DIY it. That is why I am asking about what these products are based on. Also, I want to know what other things that NPS corals need that might be avoided by others because of the threat of quick nutrient build up or any other reason.
 

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