What extension tubes do.

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I posted this on a smaller more local board and it was very popular, I thought I would share this information here as well. If you have any questions, please feel free to post them, I am sure that either myself or one of the other excellent photographers here will help out!

Extension tubes are available in a variety of sizes for SLR cameras, there are 3rd party brands and there are ones made by the OEM, but they all have the same purpose, to reduce the minimum focus distance of a given lens. All of my examples are taken with the same camera, the same lens, and the same aperture, so that depth of field was not affected in that way. The camera is a 1D from Canon, the lens is a 70-200 2.8L with a minimum focus distance of 1.5m without any modifiers. Here is a sample of the absolute closest that I can get to my Milliapora without any modifiers:
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Not to bad right? Wrong! Well, it is OK for an overall picture, it is in focus etc... but you can't really see any detail. How can you get closer? Well I could CROP the image in photoshop or lightroom, or any other of the many post processing programs that are available today. The biggest problem with cropping, is that you are reducing the percentage of pixels that are actually used on the subject. I know, that sounds weird, but think of it this way, if I were to crop that image in close, even though I used an 8MP camera to take the image, I may only be using 2-3MP on the cropped image. So what right? Nope. The fewer MP you have, the less detail you can keep. The best solution is to put more of the subject on the sensor. That is the advantage of the extension tubes, by reducing the minimum focus distance I can put more pixels on the subject. These next images were captured using increasingly more and more extension tubes. In order from least to most:

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12mm Extension Tube

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20mm Extension Tube

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36mm Extension Tube

Okay, that is it for single tubes, how about stacking them? Yup!!! I can do that too!

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48mm

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56mm

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68mm

So why wouldn't you use extension tubes all the time? Well there are some disadvantages to their use. One is the reduction in depth of field, you can see in these images how the background (and foreground) gets more and more out of focus as the length of extension tubes increases. Another disadvantage is that the longer the tube gets, the longer your shutter speeds need to be. Longer shutter speeds mean that you have to use a tripod, it also means that unless you are VERY good at panning, that you will not be using an extension tube for fish pictures.

Is there a way to get even closer? Yup! You can add a diopter to the front of the lens, this last image is captured with all 68mm of extension tubes, PLUS a 500D diopter on the front:
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More on diopters later!

If you have any questions about extension tubes, please feel free to ask them in this thread.

Thanks for reading,
-Mike
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13090272#post13090272 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heyfredyourhat
So they are basically magnifying glasses that can be put on the lense?

They are not like a magnifying glass at all. Extension tubes allow the camera to focus closer meaning you can get higher magnification only if you can get closer to the subject. I've found that using a full set of tubes stacked with a diopter will produce an image that is pretty much unusable since the image is degraded (especially with a diopter). It may not be that noticeable when resized but I'm sure there is a large difference if you view the 100% crops.
 
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That last image is with all the tubes stacked, plus the diopter. It is not as *sharp* as images taken with a true macro lens that is for sure, but it is sharper then an image that was heavily cropped.

Extension Tubes just increase the distance between the rear element of the lens, and the sensor/film plane. They do cost light, but they do not degrade image quality as much as a teleconverter, or cropping does in my opinion.
 
extension tubes are great, they don't degrade picture quality but you're suppose to use them with prime lens, otherwise they will be too soft. It's defiantly not the same as cropping.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13100024#post13100024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mitch529
Curious if you could make a suggestion on a good wallet friendly extension tube set.

I've had good luck with my Kenko set.

All they really are, are spacers with a pass-thru for the lens electrical connection. There isn't any glass to worry about. Canon or Nikon "air" isn't any sharper than the cheaper Kenko "air."

;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13100058#post13100058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
I've had good luck with my Kenko set.

All they really are, are spacers with a pass-thru for the lens electrical connection. There isn't any glass to worry about. Canon or Nikon "air" isn't any sharper than the cheaper Kenko "air."

;)

EXACTLY!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13100058#post13100058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
I've had good luck with my Kenko set.

All they really are, are spacers with a pass-thru for the lens electrical connection. There isn't any glass to worry about. Canon or Nikon "air" isn't any sharper than the cheaper Kenko "air."

;)

LMAO:lmao: But true!
 
Enterprise, I love this topic! I have been confused by extension tubes vs teleconverters (newbie to this part) for awhile now....I tend to learn best hands-on and so far I haven't been able to put my hands on either to try them out. But you give a nice description here.

I am also interested in this from an underwater photography point of view too. So, are you saying that with an extension tube you must get closer to your subject to get this order of magnification? Or are you saying that by adding the extension tube(s) plus a diopter that you are staying the same distance away from the subject but are able to get more magnification with the addition of the x-tubes/diopter?

For example, I have a 10MP Olympus Evolt E-410 with a 50mm f/2.0 macro lens and I have been cropping pics (didn't realize I was loosing data doing that) to bring up the magnification level since I can't seem to get closer to the subject (with that lens anyway) because it will get blurry. And the macro pics I'd like to take look somewhere in the range of what Nikon users get with a 105mm where the frame is filled with the animal (kind of like yours above). Plus underwater, you may not be able to always approach your macro subject either (i.e. a fish may swim off), and since water is 1.33 x thicker than air, getting close is the name of the game.

An obvious answer would be to get a different lens, but zuiko lens aren't that cheap, plus I already have an underwater port that goes with this 50mm lens and an extension port is available-for use with either an extension tube or teleconverter- I just didn't know which to purchase for the best results.

So then, what exactly do teleconverters do (since I like the way you explain it ;) ), and would this be a better solution to underwater photography vs aquarium photography?

Thanks so much in advance, and I would really appreciate any clarification on this. Great topic btw!

JAM :)

PS- I love your no nonsense point of view Beerguy! That was great! :D
 
Thanks JAM! I am glad that you find it useful.

You hit the nail on the head with getting closer to the subject, extension tubes reduce the minimum focus distance of a given lens. The lens that I used for these examples has a minimum focus distance of 1.5M without any modifiers, as I added more and more extension tubes that distance decreased more and more. In the last image, with the extension tubes and the diopter, the front element was pressed against the glass.

A diopter is basically a magnifying glass attached to the front of the lens, it will "fix" the focus distance to a predetermined length. In the case of the 500D, that distance is 500mm, or 50cm, or roughly 18 inches.

By far the BEST solution is to use a true macro lens, but I don't own one, yet. In my photography business I shoot weddings and sports, not much use for a macro lens in those applications.

Teleconverters are similar to diopters, except they go between the camera body and the lens, and they do not "fix" the focus distance. Teleconverters also cost light, meaning you will need a longer shutter speed, for a given exposure. BOTH will degrade image quality, albeit slightly, and less then cropping does.

I have absolutely ZERO experience in underwater photography, but if I had to guess, I would say a teleconverter to be a better choice for dive photography, because it does not require a fixed focus distance. Extension tubes also would be a poor choice, as they REALLY decrease the depth of field for a given aperture. (Depth of field is a way to quantify how much of an image is in focus.)

Thanks again for the compliment. :D
 
Ahh, words of wisdom....thanks for sharing Enterprise!

I'm also reading on another site right now, and it seems like people (UW photogs) are not only using teleconverters, as you suggested here, but are also using diopters in combination with the teleconverters as well to get those macro shots.

So, as I continue learning, I will be interested in your next "segment" on diopters as well. Start that thread soon ok? :)

Thanks again,
Kristy :)
 
I'll try! ;)

That underwater photog's are using a diopter surprises me! Of course I have no experience to go on, but in my 1 YES 1 dive trip in Cozumel, I found it tough to remain as motionless as I *think* you would have to be to use a diopter. Of course, you could use a HUGE powerful light rig that would allow you to shoot a smaller aperture, which would give more depth of field.

Can you point me to one of those sites?

-Mike
 
Enterprise thanks for the education! You might actuallyhave a use for a macro lens when taking wedding pics ,my 100mm macro f/2.8 when used for portraits has a tendency to make noses appear smaller and eyes appear larger in an almost unnoticable but flattering way .If you couldn't tell I love my macro lens and want to see others enjoy it as well.
Best regards , Lee
 

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