jwalters103
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i got one of these guys a while back and think its a great pet. i would just like to be able to find more info on them and try to identify the exact species. any ideas where to get some good info on them?
where to get good info on anglers?
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This is my fav. resource. I have kept 5 - 6 Anglers, total.
http://www.starfish.ch/frogfish/Behavior.html
http://www.starfish.ch/frogfish/
Could you post some pics of yours? I could probably help you with the species ID.
http://www.starfish.ch/frogfish/Behavior.html
http://www.starfish.ch/frogfish/
Could you post some pics of yours? I could probably help you with the species ID.
Metriod___Hunter
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Yup I reccomend that site too
Reef Fishes volume 1 by Scott Michael. Great chapter on anglers, he did his research on them.
Frogfish forum:
http://70.87.95.66/~slylie/forums//index.php?showforum=13
Frogfish forum:
http://70.87.95.66/~slylie/forums//index.php?showforum=13
capt. insano
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grimreefers.com has an entire frogfish/angler forum
jwalters103
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thanks for all the links, and here are some pics, but not the best
jwalters103
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right now im feeding siversides, but id like to be able to figure out what he would eat in the wild, as well as what type f habitat he is from so i can replicate it. right now he is in a species tank so i dont have to worry about him eating tank mates though
uberfugu
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Species tank is great. Anglers do much better by themselves. It looks like you have a nice little Striated. Antennarius striatus.
FishBase
He will eventually outgrow the 10 gal and would probably appreciate something like a 40 gal species only.
Like Lisa says, the Michael text is perhaps the most relevant to captive frogfish husbandry. The definitive frogfish text is Pietsch and Grobecker's "frogfishes of the World". It is out of print but there is a copy at the UMSL library.
FishBase
He will eventually outgrow the 10 gal and would probably appreciate something like a 40 gal species only.
Like Lisa says, the Michael text is perhaps the most relevant to captive frogfish husbandry. The definitive frogfish text is Pietsch and Grobecker's "frogfishes of the World". It is out of print but there is a copy at the UMSL library.
uberfugu,
what are the chances of two uneven-sized A. pictus living in some harmony (or at least avoiding cannibalism) in a 29 gallon tank?
my yellow frog, that has been eating frozen cubes, finally ate a tankmate in the 55
(the 5" dactylopus, which probably wouldn't live anyway, since it has never eaten since I got it). I knew I needed to move him, but wanted the little gray pictus to have a chance to grow some.
I may put in a tank divider, but the 29 is a reef system, so I will have to re-aquascape.
TIA,
Lisa
what are the chances of two uneven-sized A. pictus living in some harmony (or at least avoiding cannibalism) in a 29 gallon tank?
my yellow frog, that has been eating frozen cubes, finally ate a tankmate in the 55
(the 5" dactylopus, which probably wouldn't live anyway, since it has never eaten since I got it). I knew I needed to move him, but wanted the little gray pictus to have a chance to grow some. I may put in a tank divider, but the 29 is a reef system, so I will have to re-aquascape.
TIA,
Lisa
jwalters103
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thanks for the info. thats a great coincidence because i go to scholl at umsl, so i can just pick it up tomorrow whn im up there. any idea of how big this guy will get?
jwalters103
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if i understand that link right, this guy will get to be about 10 inches?----i thought that the got no bigger than 3 or 4 inches. i guess ill set up my old 55 for him. any idea of an average lifespan of these. i thought someone had said they have very short life spans.
uberfugu
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Sorry about losing the dragonet, I feel kind of bad recommending it in the first place. I'm not sure about the two pictus anglers living peacefully, especially if one is much bigger than the other.
I had a 3" wartskin living with a 1-1/2" fellow ... for a little bit. The big one would approach and the little one would puff up in a defensive manner. Figured the small one was on the menu so I moved him.
Probably safest would be to put the little guy in an in-tank refugium/nursery set-up. In a few months, he ought to have grown enough not to be eaten.
I had a 3" wartskin living with a 1-1/2" fellow ... for a little bit. The big one would approach and the little one would puff up in a defensive manner. Figured the small one was on the menu so I moved him.
Probably safest would be to put the little guy in an in-tank refugium/nursery set-up. In a few months, he ought to have grown enough not to be eaten.
I can move the little guy into the 55 for now. I don't think he could eat the waspfish, stingfish, leaf fish, wolf eel or bluethroat trigger at his current sizse. He's maybe two inches, the yellow one is at least four. I have an extra 29 gallon tank. I may set it up as a tank for the yellow one to have to himself, then put the little guy back into the clams/corals tank.
Don't feel bad about recommending the dragonet. It was such a cool fish. I thought it would do alright for me because I've had good luck with both mandarin species.
If I could find another one willing to take any kind of food, I'd buy it in a minute. I am disappointed that the store 1) sent me a fish that was not eating, and 2) never responded to my e-mail asking what to feed.
Don't feel bad about recommending the dragonet. It was such a cool fish. I thought it would do alright for me because I've had good luck with both mandarin species.
If I could find another one willing to take any kind of food, I'd buy it in a minute. I am disappointed that the store 1) sent me a fish that was not eating, and 2) never responded to my e-mail asking what to feed.
uberfugu
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Frogfish longevity is a depressing topic. If you read the various frogfish forums, you'll come to realize that, for most, captive life of a frogfish can be measured in months. Reefcherie has had her pictus for over two years. I had a commerson for four.
Captive frogfish mortality usually involves systemic disease from a poor diet, bacterial or protozoal infection from lack of quarantine and/or environmental deficiencies, poor tankmate choices ... in the general, the lack of proper captive care.
I inquired of John McCosker (Steinhardt Aquarium; San Francisco) on the aquarium's record of longevity with their frogfishes. His response:
"I do recall that specimens of Antennariius avalonis and A. sanguineus from Baja lived several years in the Aquarium, and it stands to reason ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ once they became established in the collection they were fed every day and received appropriate medication if that ever became necessary. And of course we didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t put them in displays that had potential predators. So, if well kept, itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s probably safe to say that they could probably live longer in an aquarium than in the wild. But I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t know if those data exist."
I strive for reef-quality water, massive skimming and regular waterchanges, temps around 75Ã"šÃ‚º-78Ã"šÃ‚ºF (~23Ã"šÃ‚º-26Ã"šÃ‚ºC), a high quality and varied marine diet, strict quarantine and dip protocol, frogfish-only systems, and lots of observation.
jwalters103
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thanks for a ll the great info
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