white spots

brians4671

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i have as many as 5 spots on one of my flameback angels. i have been curing live rock for 5 weeks and started adding it yesterday. and now there are some spots. the rock was never in a tank. came fresh out of the box. i have as many as 5 spots on one of my flameback angels. i have a total of 5 fish each has one spec on it. my flame hawk has 2 specs. it is a fowlr tank.
 
Were all fish already in the tank quarantined before being initially added to the display?

If all fish were originally quarantined, it's pretty unlikely that it is marine ich/cryptocaryon irritans because the life cycle for the tomonts is generally 4 weeks.

However, if all fish weren't originally quarantined in hypo or copper for 6 weeks there is a small chance the parasite has always been in the tank and is just now surfacing as a result of stress (possibly moving rockwork/territories around, etc).

At this stage I'd watch the specks closely. I've had specks turn out to be air bubbles or bits of sand in the past. If you see them increasing in numbers in about three days, it could be a cryptocaryon outbreak and the thing to do would be either copper or hyposalinity treatment on the fish for 6 weeks in another tank unfortunately.

Again, pretty unlikely ich would have come in along with rock that has been sitting in a fishless environment that long.

-Julian
 
It probably was on the fish to get it that quickly. QT parameters are pretty strict. If they were in QT than one of the treatments were miscalculated and the parasites survived. If they weren't originally QT'd than they should be if you want to cure it for good.
 
they were not originally qt'd. ok so im going to keep a close eye on them over the next couple days. if this regresses is there anything i need to do? does it still need to be adressed if it regresses? all my fish are in great health. by that i mean very good appetite, active, and nice color.
 
i keep a very close eye on these fish and there was no signs til today. and i want to mention again. my fish are in great condition. very fat and active.
 
well this morning the spots are gone. is this a character of ick? it went from no signs, to only regress after one day?
 
There is a good chance that it is ich still. The white spots are either entrance or exit wounds. Not the cyst itself. There may be a chance it has exited the fish and is now making about 200 or so per cyst more of their own for another attack in a week or two. The thing is with ich. If it is not addressed it will balance itself with fish immunity. Fish will still get it even though there isn't any signs of them. They are present in the gills. Therefore, with about 90 or so gallons in your system. A few months from now, especially if you add another fish. You will see hundreds covering the fish. Than those make 200 or so more, than soon it's into the thousands. It's a natural course, though in the ocean, we are talking all those fish in all that water, the numbers add up to one or 2 cysts per fish every once in a while. In our systems though, same multiplication. Drastically different cyst per gallon ratio. People run systems without QT and are mostly successful. But just as many people that are successful are getting out of the hobby because of tank crashes and stock loss.
I would personally take all fish out of the system and QT and treat with Hypo for atleast 6 weeks to be sure. But that's me, and that's what I had to do, which would have been a whole lot easier had I done it from the beginning. I lost hundreds of dollars literally flushed down the toilet before I started to realize The small cost of setting up a QT and the time it takes to QT is a lot better than dealing with parasites on a regular basis. There are hundreds of threads and thousands of websites to explain how if thats the road. Or you can do what everyone else does. Wait and hope.
 
Because it will kill your live rock, live sand, and all invertabrates. And that is if you do hypo. If you treat with copper, it will kill everything and leach into your system for years to come leaving it inhabitable. If you take out all rock, sand, and inverts out you could and probably will have a huge ammonia spike. Plus have all kinds of particulates in the water.
 
I would go with the 30g. A Qt consists of the most bare bones system you can afford. Or just short of another display. People do both. I would say bare bottom, no rock or sand. and a few pieces of pvc for hiding. heater,something to break the water surface, and a filter, preferably one that has biological and mechanical capabilities. A bio wheel is good, or the standard most people have done is a sponge filter with an airstone. You would do well to seed a sponge in your fuge for a while to get some of the bacteria. With it being a completely seperate system away from your display, it's going to start fresh of bacteria. It's also sound practice to fill it with some display water, Though it will take a third of your system to do it. You can fill it with what you would normally do with a water change. It may seed it some with bacteria, but it's best with a sponge. I recommend Hypo salinity for treatment as it doesn't have any ill effects on the fish, and just as effective as copper. What I do is a day or so after all of the fish are acclimated into the QT, start dropping salinity by water changes, but instead of pouring back same salinity water, replace with fresh water. Continue this until the salinity is exactly 1.009-1.010sg any higher it's less effective. Any lower and it could damage the fish in the long run. After it is 1.009-1.010 (it really needs to be done with a refractometer or lab grade floating hydrometer. The swing arm is always off) after you are there make a water line at the water level. Than, top off evaporation.
6-8 weeks and you are right as rain! Water changes are done replacing with premixed water at hypo.
Important note* after the treatment take a week to bring it back up to display tank level. don't go over 2 ppt a day. It can send the fish into osmotic shock. I did this and got lucky I didn't kill any fish.
 
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