Why do my fish seem to get sick when I move rocks?

Elysia

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I have read about the parasites of marine fish. The parasites do not just remain in a tank on the substrate/rock indefinately. So I have fish in my 56 gallon. New residents QTed, no evidence of ich. Last fish added to the tank over two months ago. No signs on any of the fish that there were any problems. Over the weekend, I pulled some of the rock to scrape some of the hair algae off of it. Within two days, two of my fish were showing visible white spots (not many, but some.)

Are my fish showing no visible signs, but harboring the parasites in their gills? Pulling the rock to brush them should not have done anything... would it? I have had this happen once before, when I rearranged a tank. Should I pull all the fish from this tank and let it run fallow?

Also, does crypt/ich cause white spots (cysts) that are greatly raised aboved the body of the fish? Is it possible to have a tank w/ crypt/ich w/ only two fish infected? Some things that I have read seem to not believe that fish can become immune to Crypt, while others do.
 
There are some of us that believe that ich naturally occurs in all fish tanks.

Normal, healthy, properly acclimated fish show no signs of it. However, when a fish becomes stressed, it will show a few white spots and may even get overrun with ich.
 
Thanks for your response, Tokitay. I noticed before posting here that threads in this forum don't get a lot of posts.

Well, what is the best course of action, then? Sometimes it seems as though I will see a white speck or two on a fish, but it will only be there for a day or two, and then nothing (unlike the coming and going of crypt/ich.) Should I pull fish as soon as I see any spots; can fish fight off very mild infestations? Or are these individual specks not ich?

Is it likely that the highly raised white spot is ich?
 
I think I'm in a similar boat, just posted my own thread. I thought QT was supposed to avoid this... :( Guess I didn't QT all coral and anemones though. But most were in the tank with no fish while the fish were in QT.

Bummer. So much for the ich-free tank (if that's possible)
 
Elysia,

Test your water. Better yet, take it to a trusted LFS and have them test it. When you are done, post your water parameters.
Include the following: Salinity, PH, Nitates, ALK, Phosphorous, and calcium. Also, is your temperature stable?
 
Also, if you stir too much crap up from the bed while moving rock work, it will sometimes cause a spike in your parameters and affect the fish
 
ich can be removed from a tank successfully in my experiences but it is difficult in salt water. depending on your set up it can be easier or harder. if its in your tank and the fish are healthy and not stressed the immune system can keep it at bay but when you move stuff around its comparable to a predator in the tank with them and they stress out. it doesnt take much for the ich to capitalize on it. cleaner shrimp or neon gobies can help to curve it until the immune system can kick back in. supplementing the diet with garlic and vitamins will help boost the system and the fish recover quicker.
 
My cleaner shrimp and fish seem to have no interest in each other. I really wish that weren't the case as I see white spots popping up on them... (the fish, not the shrimp) Maybe I need a few hundred shrimp so the fish can't escape. Cleaning time....
 
MANGM hip it on point when you disturbe the sand bed you lift up detrius and disturb the nitrifiying bacteria which is the natural source for controling the water params such as nitrites nitrates ammonias and so on when you disturbe the sand bed your killing the nitrifying bacteria and so they have to recolonize... do a water change and in a few days things should be back to normal
 
From ATJ,s website:




Is "Ich" always present in our aquaria?

There is a widely held belief in the marine aquarium hobby that "Ich" is always present in our aquaria and this belief is often repeated on marine bulletin boards. There is much information in the scientific literature that contradicts this belief.

C. irritans is an obligate parasite (Burgess and Matthews, 1994; Dickerson and Dawe, 1995; Yoshinaga and Dickerson, 1994). Obligate means the parasite can not survive without infecting its host, in this case, fish. Theronts have been shown to die if a suitable host is not found within the required time. Yoshinaga and Dickerson (1994) found that few theronts (0.34%) were viable 12.5 hours after excystment and Burgess and Matthews (1994) found that no theronts were viable 18 hours after excystment. Colorni (1985) found that some excysted tomites (=theronts) were observed to be moving weekly after 48 hours. While the life span of the theronts appears variable, it is limited and all will die without finding a suitable host.

If an aquarium has no fish in it, and there are no additions of fish, or anything else that could be carrying trophonts, tomonts, tomites or theronts for a period of 6 weeks or longer, all parasites will have died. An aquarium such as this is an obvious exception to "Ich" always being present.

Many fish collected for marine aquariums will not be carrying "Ich". Incidence of C. irritans in wild fish varies widely and may be geographically related. Some authors have found few infected fish, if any, in the areas they have examined (Puerto Rico: Bunkley-Williams and Williams, 1994; southern California: Wilkie and Gordin, 1969) . Others have found that low levels of infection are not uncommon (e.g. southern Queensland; Diggles and Lester, 1996c). Keeping multiple fish in holding tanks and at aquarium stores increases the chances of a fish carrying "Ich" parasites, but it is still possible to acquire a fish that is not infected with "Ich".

If new fish are quarantined for at least 6 weeks, any parasites on the fish will have gone through a number of life cycles increasing the number of parasites present. In the majority of cases, the increase in parasite numbers will result in full blown infection and fish can be treated to remove the parasites. Hyposalinity has been demonstrated to break the life cycle of "Ich" (Cheung et al. 1979; Colorni, 1985) and fish correctly treated with hyposalinity will be free from "Ich". Any fish that do not show signs of infection after 6 weeks are very unlikely to be carrying any parasites.

If fish that are free from "Ich" (either because they were not originally infected or because they have been treated with hyposalinity) are added to an aquarium that is free from "Ich", the aquarium will stay free from "Ich" and be another exception to "Ich" always being present.

Burgess and Matthews (1994) were attempting to maintain a viable population of C. irritans which could be used in later studies. To maintain the parasite populations, they needed host fish in order for the trophonts to feed and continue the life cycle. Each host fish was only used once in a process of serial transition such that none of the hosts would die or develop an immunity. While the procedure worked very well and enabled them to maintain populations for some time, the viability of the populations decreased with time and none of the 7 isolates they used survived more than 34 cycles, around 10 to 11 months. They suggest this is due to senescence and aging in cell lines is well recognised in Ciliophora.

The presence of aging cell lines in C. irritans suggests that an aquarium that has been running for longer than 12 months without any additions is unlikely to have any surviving "Ich" parasites, yet another exception to "Ich" always being present.

Whilst "Ich" may be present in some aquaria, it is certainly not present in all aquaria. Through careful quarantining and treatment, it is very much possible to establish and maintain an "Ich" free aquarium.
 
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