Would this external overflow work?

coryjac0b

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My dilemma is, i don't want to drill my tank, and i dont want to use an ugly overflowbox. So i came up with this, an external overflow box. Using pvc pipe as the u-tube, and getting glass cut and then drilled also for bulkheads, and reinforcing the actual box with angled pieces below the base, will this work?

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you have to have a box on the inside or you'll siphon off more water than you want. once the water siphons below the bottom of the tube, the siphon will break.
 
I agree with scrager. This won't work. I gather your thought process stems from an opinion that the end of a PVC pipe sticking in your water would be more asthetically pleasing than a large box with a visible tube stuck in it. I agree!. I haven't implemented this but I was thinking along the following lines:

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I drew this up to help explain the issue with your setup. The image on the left is what you need to have when the main pump isn't running. It is vital for this setup that the siphon tube stay full. Any siphon overflow has to have two reservors for the ends of the siphon tube to sit in otherwide the siphon will break.

The siphon can sit like this for days without the tube emptying because there is even pressure on both sides of the tube.

When you start your main pump water will overflow (thus the name) iinto your box (or in this case tube) and the water level on the inside reservoir will raise. This causes pressure on the water in the tube and the water in the siphon tube will flow downhill over the aquarium wall and into the outside reservior. As soon as this reservoir fills at all it drains down to the sump. This maintains the downhill pressure and the water continues to be moved over the aquarium wall to the sump.

When you turn off the main pump the water from the main tank will will flow over the overflow teeth until it drops to just below the teeth. At this point once the inside reservoir and the outside reservoir get to the same level the flow stops. But the siphon remains.

I haven't come up with ideas yet on how to attach these pieces to the tank or to each other. But it very will could be made out of PVC. It would be cheaper than buying a comercial one and could be made to suit your tastes. I personally don't like the white pvc look on the tank. Savko sells PVC pipe and fittings in black. I buy all PVC that is visible in the tank in black color. It is about 2x the cost of white, but it's still pretty cheap.

Good luck.
 
Oops oh yeah. I was thinking that the smaller tubes could be something like 3/4" and the larger 2". This will depend on the GPH of your return pump. It will probably need some experimentation.

There is a drawback to not having a clear tube. You won't be able to tell if it gets some air in it or if the siphon is broken. I have an overlflow box (lifereef) and there have been several times when the siphon tube gets an air bubble in it and it starts to get dangerously big, threatening to break the siphon. Luckily I was able to suck it out before it got too big. Thats because I could see it.

Some overflow systems add a small fitting and tube to the top of the siphon and connect the other end of the tube (airline type) to the inlet of a venturi pump. This will automatically suck any air out of the siphon tube and start the siphon if it's broken.
 
The main advantage to the "large" overflow box is that you get better surface skimming. The smaller the box the deeper the water flowing through the teeth channels. That means your getting less surface water and more "deep" water. Purist want a really big box and don't even use teeth on the box! They use other methods to keep the critters out of the box and sump.
 
well i guess that tosses my idea out the window, guess ill just get some glass or acrylic cut to make a calfo style overflow, and just get the tank drilled.
 
One option (which was what I went with) if you absolutely don't want to drill the tank is simply buy a decent siphon overflow. These work great, but ditch the prefilter and standpipe within the outer box and install a Durso instead. These overflows are the best deal I've found and are simple to modify.
http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/4982/cid/1345

You could make one, I've made overflows before (just not out of acrylic). They can be a little tricky.

An internal overflow 'drilled' is always the best overflow to have, I totally understand not wanting to drill it or have it drilled.
 
Why don't you want to drill the tank?

Overall, I would say there's more risk involved with having a siphon than drilling.

Dan
 
There certainly are risks of losing siphon. The siphon overflow is not a perfect system. I have had mine up for 8 months and never had a problem. However I did catch it once where it was very close to losing siphon. You have to watch everything. then again I've heard of people having a snail clog the standpipe in their drilled overflow with the exact same results. A flood! and possibly a burned up main pump.

I agree there is less risk though on a properly done drilled overflow system. On my acrillic, which is bottom drilled, I have 3 stand pipes just to be sure I don't have this scenario.

I am considering drilling a 20 gallon with the hong kong diamond drill bits. There's a post somewhere here on Reef Central detailing it. It seems pretty cheap to get the tools. A 20 gallon isn't that expensive if I screw it up. I get more confident everytime I read about it...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7795312#post7795312 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CoolUsername
I have had mine up for 8 months and never had a problem.

Please find an object that was once part of a tree (wood) and proceed to hit it with your knuckles (knock on it)

LOL

I say drill the tank! My overflow is on the outside of my tank. I hav only a 7" x 7" oveflow box in the tank, with the durso on the outside of the glass. This pic is similar to my setup. Its small.. but you can make out the basic principle of how it works.

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Yep I agree. If you don't watch your siphon you are bound to have an overflow. Just check it once a day and you'll be safe. When an air pocket starts to appear it usually takes a week to get large enought to start causing flow concerns. Sometimes it just works it's way out.

If you are considering drilling as MeuserReef suggests. I saw this thread that caught my interest. Cheap and easy overflow box design - especially if you have a black background.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7830093#post7830093

You could also cut the pipe into a quarter arcs and make a calfo style overflow box.

Just a thought
 
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