Xenia looking burned on tips plus more

AliciaP

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So, for the past 3 months, my Xenia has struggled. It happened all of the sudden. One day, the tips just looked burned. No big deal, I did my normal 1/2 tank water change, a bit sooner than usual and expected to see it better the next day. No such luck. Its getting worse and I am out of ideas. I need your help! Settle in for the background info and test results. ;)

I had 1 150watt MH and 1 homemade multichip led over the tank when this started. My halide ballast broke, so a friend gave me her old light which is 2 t5s (not actinic). The burning effact was taking place before the halide broke, so i think it has nothing to do with my problem. My tank has been under the old lights for a long time. The whole time I had the tank I had the MH and the led was made early last year, so also I don't think that's the problem either. The coral was introduced into those lights, and did fine for a year. My heaters both broke within a week of each other, so the tank had no heat for a while. They broke about a month before the xenia started looking burned.

Sg- 1.025
Amm- 0
Nitrite- 0
Nitrate- 100 ..... (I know, I know, give me hell. It's always this high, with multiple test kits.)
Phos- 0
Calcium- 500
Kh- ~10
Temp- 70-72

So, I know, you will all tell me its my nitrates. But they've been between 80-100 for years. I have given up the fight because I just don't know what else to do with them.

I have done several water changes (normally once a month). I have sat and inspected for a fish nibbling or crab nibbling or starfish nibbling, nothing I can see is happening to them. Day or night. I have moved them from their normal spot to a space on the right of the tank. I have run charcoal to help coral warfare.

I have hammer corals and 2 rbta that I thought could be burning it, so I moved it as far away as possible. I thought about those because it has spots on it in some places and one stalk almost has a ring where is looks burned or stung. It's like a sunk in scar kind of.

So what's my next plan of action?
 
Hello Alicia,

I have a few questions: What type of Xenia is it? Do you have a picture of the burned tips? Is it possible a fish is attracted to the tips because the movement and the fish wants a taste? (I had a powdered blue tang that did this but only at night, never during the day.)

I've been using Xenia as a primary filtration source in large systems for the last decade, and I've never heard of them "burning". At one point I ran mine under ultra bright 400 watt Iwasaki bulbs, and I only saw them flourish never burn. Now they can be sensitive to water chemistry and sometimes a lack of lighting, especially Pom Pom. Elongata for me seems to be a little more tolerant of lower light. This is what I sell to the pet stores because it usually fairs better in the lower light LFS system. However when I sell them Red Sea Pom Pom it would just melt away in a matter of days. Now since you did a 50% water change and you run a clean BB tank, you might be doing more harm than good to the Xenia by doing that. Xenia feed on DOMs (dissolved organic matter) I believe it was Eric Borneman's book that discussed how in the wild Xenia could be found at hotels waste water pipes, as well as other nutrient rich waters. It can be seen as one of the first colonizers of the reef. So by doing a large water change you might be stripping its food supply from it. It is a very unique coral... Plagues in some system, and melting in others. Without any rhyme or reason.


Here is a video of my Xenia refugium with Elongata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKfhOu2GBaA
 
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Just curious,

Are you running Starboard or a starboard knock off on the floor of the tank? You said you've been battling nitrates for years, and I assume you checked the NO3 levels in the makeup water. If that is zero and you are doing routine 50% water changes it leads me to believe your issue might be with the material on the bottom of the tank. If you went with starboard you should be fine. but if it is a cheaper version and it seems that you are always getting excessive detritus build up, as if a board is decomposing. It could be that the UV light your hailde produced is causing the board to leach NO3 into the tank as it decays. I have a good friend who battled this same issue for years. He ran 3-250watt DE fixtures over a 10+ year old 210. Eventually his nitrates went sky high and within a few years his PO4 followed at .64. He decided to tear down the system to find what was causing the issue. After removing almost all rock and doing a massive water change he was able to bring the PO4 down to around .24 (hanna URL). However whithin a few weeks it was back up to .50+. So the only thing left was the few pieces of live rock and the Poly board on the bottom. He broke a piece of the decaying board off and stuck it in a fresh tank of SW that had 0 PO4 (hanna URL). To our amazement after a week it creeped up as well.

Just a thought......
 
I don't know what type of xenia it is to be honest. I would say, its not colorful and was a pink fleshy color. Its darker in its shriveled state and the tips are white now.

No fish seem to nip. I've watched like a hawk for days at a time, and nothing. Even from a distance, when they don't know I'm near, no nipping.

The lights didn't change when this happened so I don't think that caused it. It was happy as can be for a year before it just looked funny one day.

I've done the same water changes, the same amount the whole time its been In the tank. And to add to that, the water change before the problem was with the same bucket of salt. And it was two week in between the water change and the burning look. I don't know how much 'nutrient' I have in my tank, but my nitrates, like always.

No starboard. Its a true bare bottom. The rocks sit on the glass, very carefully of course. About once a week I siphon any detritus in the tank into the filter sock in the sump and then switch the sock out for a new one. I also blow out spaces in the rock and under the rocks so I can get the most out.

Thank you guys for the ideas, keep them coming!
 
Hello Alicia,

I have a few questions: What type of Xenia is it? Do you have a picture of the burned tips? Is it possible a fish is attracted to the tips because the movement and the fish wants a taste? (I had a powdered blue tang that did this but only at night, never during the day.)

I've been using Xenia as a primary filtration source in large systems for the last decade, and I've never heard of them "burning". At one point I ran mine under ultra bright 400 watt Iwasaki bulbs, and I only saw them flourish never burn. Now they can be sensitive to water chemistry and sometimes a lack of lighting, especially Pom Pom. Elongata for me seems to be a little more tolerant of lower light. This is what I sell to the pet stores because it usually fairs better in the lower light LFS system. However when I sell them Red Sea Pom Pom it would just melt away in a matter of days. Now since you did a 50% water change and you run a clean BB tank, you might be doing more harm than good to the Xenia by doing that. Xenia feed on DOMs (dissolved organic matter) I believe it was Eric Borneman's book that discussed how in the wild Xenia could be found at hotels waste water pipes, as well as other nutrient rich waters. It can be seen as one of the first colonizers of the reef. So by doing a large water change you might be stripping its food supply from it. It is a very unique coral... Plagues in some system, and melting in others. Without any rhyme or reason.


Here is a video of my Xenia refugium with Elongata

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKfhOu2GBaA


What a NICE REfugium man .....

GZ ! :beer:
 
The first photo shows the bunch that aren't doing well, and you can clearly see a few stalks doing fine on the left.

The second shows a divet (sp?) On a frag that has been happy in the past.

And the third photo is a tiny bit of proof that my tank is okay.
 

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That is Pom Pom, and yes they look very stressed. Pay close attention to the skin, if it darkens and begins to shed layers, I would remove them quickly. From my experience it is one of the more sensitive Xenia, especially to lower light conditions. Try Elongata it will fit your application better.

Good luck ;)
 
It seems to be 'clapping' ever so slowly, just a little bit. I'm holding out hope that the new spot can help it.
 
Sorry about side tracking original post but Awsome refugium AquaTDV! What lights are you running on the refugium now? I have some elongata that untill now wasn't sure what to do with. Thanks for the info:D
 
I don't know what type of xenia it is to be honest. I would say, its not colorful and was a pink fleshy color. Its darker in its shriveled state and the tips are white now.

No fish seem to nip. I've watched like a hawk for days at a time, and nothing. Even from a distance, when they don't know I'm near, no nipping.

The lights didn't change when this happened so I don't think that caused it. It was happy as can be for a year before it just looked funny one day.

I've done the same water changes, the same amount the whole time its been In the tank. And to add to that, the water change before the problem was with the same bucket of salt. And it was two week in between the water change and the burning look. I don't know how much 'nutrient' I have in my tank, but my nitrates, like always.

No starboard. Its a true bare bottom. The rocks sit on the glass, very carefully of course. About once a week I siphon any detritus in the tank into the filter sock in the sump and then switch the sock out for a new one. I also blow out spaces in the rock and under the rocks so I can get the most out.

Thank you guys for the ideas, keep them coming!

Are you using RO water ? Skimmer ? Water temp is a little low 74-76 would be better.
 
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