1 day to end fallow perion and need HELP!!

[ruidos99]

Ok guys its been 79 days!! tomorrow is the big day, i had been managing ich for the last 10 years and got fed up!!

i removed ALL my fish put them in a 200g treated them with paraguard for 2 weeks, then copper for 1 month. copper is still at .3

the problem is that i see 2 of my fish rub themselves on the pvc!!! no ich ,no nothing on there skin!!!

i do water changes every 2 weeks or so (50% or so) and re medicated! but its a lot of fish in a 200g system water quality does not look that good , no amonia but the water is not crystal clear.

sooooo!! what to do??? could the rubbing be from poor water quality???

HELP!!!!

 

[Deinonych]

Ich does not have to be visible to be present. Poor water quality could be a possibility. However, if the fish are still flashing after a known ich infestation, I would be highly suspicious that the parasite has not been eliminated. Chemical treatments can be tricky with ich, as they are effective against the highly unpredictable swimming stage.

I wouldn't put them back in the DT until you are sure the parasite is gone. Best method for ich elimination (IMO) is Tank Transfer Method, although that may be a challenge with so many fish.

 

[ThRoewer]

... Best method for ich elimination (IMO) is Tank Transfer Method, although that may be a challenge with so many fish.

Do them in batches or even one by one.

Copper is in general not a good choice as you have only a very narrow therapeutic range. Below that it won't kill the parasites and above it will kill the fish.
Also copper diminishes the fish's immune responses which makes them susceptible for a whole range of other infections or cause outbreaks of things the fish were already infected with (like Lymphocystis).

 

[scooter31707]

I agree ^^^^. Also, I notice you said the copper has been at 0.3ppm which it should be at 0.5ppm to be effective.

 

[Deinonych]

I agree ^^^^. Also, I notice you said the copper has been at 0.3ppm which it should be at 0.5ppm to be effective.

+1

0.35 is the minimum therapeutic concentration. I agree with ThRoewer though...copper is not a good medication for the reasons he listed.

 

[snorvich]

Good advice from all above.

 

[ruidos99]

hi guys, thanks for the replys!
copper was at .5 for 4 weeks.

i started 1 week paraguard then 4 weeks copper at .5, then 1 week formalin and then copper again at .5 , I did not readjust copper after that so it dropped to .3.

i did a large water change this morning with water from the display, the have stopped rubbin.... so i dont know what to do![emoji35][emoji379]

 

[ThRoewer]

Are you trying to cure them or are you attempting to poison them?

 

[ruidos99]

jajajajaja do you think I over did it?? crap! i just want to get rid of this darn parasite!!![emoji29][emoji29]

 

[Marty.H]

In my opinion it's lurking in most systems just waiting for a victim I know one person who had no new editions for over 4 years not even so much as a coral frag or anything from anywhere and WS popped up.

A healthy fish will generally shake it off and don't show any outward signs.

I've had it and I run.a decent UV and Ozone but it popped up so opted like you to go fallow some fish did flash in QT as the copper may irritate them but I put them all back and have had no issues it truly is a nightmare and the person who invents a 100% reef safe treatment to kill it will be a millionaire overnight.

 

[ThRoewer]

The only way to reliably kill it is a 100% working immunization with a vaccine. This is likely possible and worked on already by a lot of researchers.

 

[ruidos99]

1 day to end fallow perion and need HELP!!

well i think ich can be managed.. but some fish cant take it, i lost a bandit angel 90 days ago due to ich... that was it! i have to get rid of this!

 

[running scott]

I want to set up a qt while my fish undergo TTM, and my DT is fallow. Can I use live rock and sand from the DT if I heat the water up to X degrees for Y amount of time to kill the Ick? Will my beneficial bacteria and other fauna survive this?

 

[ThRoewer]

one hour at 40°C should kill all cysts, though I would go a bit higher (50°C) and at least twice as long.
The bacteria you want to keep will likely also not survive this, though you never know.