1 tang w ich but other no signs of ich

[pelochas]

i have a blue tang that got the ich two days ago.... im having trouble trapping all the other 7 fish( yellow tang, algea bleny, 3 chromis, coral beauty, clown), . is it possible that only the blue tang has it and the other dont. im trying to trap the fish one by one but if i can just trap and hospitalize the blue tang if will save me tons of time. or am i just cutting corners?

 

[atlfishes]

For ich to be die the tank must be fishless. All fish need to be removed.

 

[ozadars]

Well, to be 100% sure that ich isnt in the tank anymore, you need to take all the fish out of the tank. However, you can take the tang out and watch over if other fish shows any sign of ich. Wait 6 to 8 months. Feed the fish with "correct" foods and keep the water quality high.

 

[pelochas]

what do you define as correct foods. i have the dried seaweed, frozen cubes or vegetarian and meaty foods and flakes. im soaking all the foods with garlic before i feed.

 

[atlfishes]

If other fish are present so will be the ich and as soon as you add your tang back into the tank, he'll get reinfected. Food cannot cure this disease. Tangs are the worst for ich. The only cure that I've heard work some of the time in a reef tank is Stop Parasite.

 

[pelochas]

i getting ready to set a quarantine tank. its taking me more time to do this since everything caught me off gaurd. i got a 30 gal. since i dont know much about what i need in a quarantine tank, help me out. i have a tank thats it. i will use a simple light. but filtering is my problem. everything is tied up in the reef tank. can i just use a canister filter? im going to go with the copper treatment. will the copper ruin the canister as its not usable for the reef again? what do i need to keep 8 fishes healty for 40 days?

 

[ozadars]

Blue tangs are planktivores, they eat planktons more than algae in nature. Correct food is appling same or similar diet as their natural diet.
Ich appears on fish when the fish is under stress or weak. If you feed them with correct food, keep them strong and healthy, provide good quality, they can usually get over it but its a risk you take.
This link should help you while setuping QT;
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-02/atj/feature/index.php

 

[speckled trout]

1. All fish need to be taken out of the tank. All invertebrates can stay.
2. Cupramine is extremely effective at getting rid of ich. Use it at the recommended dosage for the recommended amount of time and then remove the water containing the copper and replace it with new SW. Slowly acclimate the fish back to the plain saltwater by placing them in a container of SW containing the cupramine(the "old" water) and then drip the plain sw back into the container. This will help you to avoid "shocking" the fish when it returns to more natural water. An airstone is helpful to keep oxygen levels adequate at this time as your fish will be somewhat crowded while re-acclimating to regular SW.
3. I've used cupramine on every one of my tangs before placing them in the display. No problems, no ich after 4 years.
4. No gravel or sand or any calcium containing substrate can be used with cupramine. Ich loves substrate during one of its stages. Copper doesn't function properly in the presence of calcium, either.
5. Two weeks is the treatment period for cupramine. A six weeks "survellence" period is then necessary to completely eliminate the possiblity of ich being "dormant" and reappearing later. Copper isn't effective during all the stages of developement of ich. Thus, the 2 week treatmnet, plus the waiting period. If it doesn't reappear by then it is gone.
6. If you utilize filter material or sponges of any sort, they can be used to provide benefical bacteria to prevent your water from going bad during the treatment time. I use a biowheel in my QT/Hospital tank and have never had a problem with the water fouling. Be careful avoid cramming too many fish into a small area. Water changes may be necessary with as many fish as you are descibing in a 30g. I once treatet that many in a 42g for 8 weeks. The only water change I made was after the 2 week cupramine treatment and half way through the following 6 weeks.

Hope this helps-Mike

 

[pelochas]

thx this helps a bunch. it suks that its taking me this long to set up a qt. i need to find the cupramine.

so first is to use "old sw" from the main tank plus cupramine for two weeks.

then new saltwater with copper for next 4 weeks?

by the way, i LUV fishing for those SPECKS! i do a lot of Wade fishing and Kayak Fishing at Texas City, Galveston, San Luis Pass, X-mas Bay.

Where you located and fish at? I need new honey holes!

 

[speckled trout]

I would just mix up new saltwater for the QT. Make very sure to match the pH and salinity and then acclimate your fish to that.

Next, add the cupramine and follow the directions on the bottle. You will increase the dosage in two days to bring the levels up to a theraputic level in your 30g. I think it's 1.5ml per 15g on day one then an additional 1.5g per 15g after waiting another day. This is a relatively safe form of administering copper to your water. Too much copper and you kill your fish, not enough and the ich won't die. However, Cupramine is in a form that allows you some leeway between being theraputic and killing the fish.

Once the 2 week period is up I would start removing the copper from the tank. You can do this all at once and then slowly acclimate your fish from water containing copper to water that doesn't contain any copper. I usually just remove them from the copper and replace all the water in the qt tank with new sw and then replace the fish once I've made certain that I hvae the pH and Salinity correct. It's gotta match or you risk shocking your fish when you reintroduce them into the qt tank that now doesn't have copper.

I'd post you some pics of specks, but I don't think people on this site would apprecitaed "harvested" fish for consumption. I love to eat me some fish!

 

[pelochas]

thanks

i got a 30 gal tank to quarantine the fish. currently using a fluval 404 no carbon, just sponge filters. also using the red sea berlin turbo skimmer i hate so much. it actually pulled some crap out but nothing to note. i really hope this will do for the remainder of the quarantine.

I had to make my own trap which i did. I got a simple clear canister that had some candies and used the lid top and some fishing line to make a trap door. works great if the fish get inside. so far i caught on previous 2 days my yellow tang, 3 chromis, my clown, a tiny cleaner goby, and today finally i caught my sick small blue tang with ich today and the pseudo

i need to catch the coral beauty which has been tricky. and for the most challeging part is the lawnmower blenny, a bicolor blenny and the diamond goby. there is nothing to bait or lure them into the trap.

i may need to just get in there and net those remaining fish. at the same time im thinking of redoing the live rock work. really looking into doing two separate pile of rock. one pile up on the corner and the other somewhere in the middle of the right side end so i can see all around.

i was going to do the copper treament but decided to go with seachem Cupramine. gonna do this for 6 weeks on the qt tank. cupramine is copper but has the extra benefit of some leeway.

its been a week and a half since the blue tang came down with ich. today he is still acting and eating normal but everyday he looks either better or worse.

well i hope for the best. thanks for the support.

 

[speckled trout]

Your chances of losing it increase with each day. It won't recover on its own. It may look better for awhile, but don't mistake this for a recovery.


Once the ich is present, it won't go away. It can exist in your substrate in one of its stages. There it will multiple before "attacking once again", this time worse.

 

[pelochas]

i added the first step of cupramine to the qt before actually catching all the fish. this is day three and i still need 4 more fish. should i move on to the next step (the complete dosage) or wait until i get all the fish?

my clown in the qt had a pinkish string of poop hanging. i knew this was probably a bad sign. also the clown is sometimes swiming with head down almost as if it has difficulty in direction.

if the qt tank has some ammonia or nitrates or nitrates or anything wrong with the water parameters, how would i fix this? a pwc would decrease the amount of cupramine in the tank.

also since the cupramine is in the tank, ammonia tests would not be accurate.

 

[speckled trout]

The stringy poop is probably caused by intestinal problems. There are several medications for treating this. Although, I wouldn't worry about those quite yet, as ich will definitely kill the fish and much faster. Don't combine treatments.

It will be hard to test for the cupramine if you do a water change before the 2 week period is over. However, by taking into account the amount you take out you should be able to determine tha amount to re-add to get it to a certain ppm. You should have added 1.5ml of cupramine to 15g(30g = 3ml of cupramine), so I assume you added a total of 3ml on day one, right? If you add 3ml's more on day 3, then your total will be 6ml cupramine. A 50% water change will result in a 50% reduction of cupramine, so add 3ml back to the tank after adding the new sw.

Personally, I treated 9 fish in a 42g without changing the water until after the 2 weeks was up. I then changed 50% after 3 weeks more weeks until the 6 week period was up and had no problems. All the fish made it through the treatment. That was 4 years ago. I still have most of these fish.

 

[maro1]

Personally, I treated 9 fish in a 42g without changing the water until after the 2 weeks was up. I then changed 50% after 3 weeks more weeks until the 6 week period was up and had no problems. All the fish made it through the treatment. That was 4 years ago. I still have most of these fish.

How did you deal with water quality over this time period?

Feeding?

Amonia, nitrites, nitrates?

Was your QT already cycled?

Mar

 

[pelochas]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8551706#post8551706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by speckled trout
You should have added 1.5ml of cupramine to 15g(30g = 3ml of cupramine), so I assume you added a total of 3ml on day one, right?

you assumed right

i havent gotten the other 4 fish out of the main to put into the qt.

i only did the first day treatment which is 3ml for the 30 gal qt. i havent added more cupramine to get to the .5 mg/L yet because im waiting to add the other 4 fish.

are you saying to just go ahead with the treatment and do the dosage to get to .5 mg/L on the qt tank. and later add the other 4 fish when i catch them.

i havent seen the stringy poop anymore from the clown. the blue tang since being in the qt really started to look spot less.

im going to build another type of trap for the other fish. more like a planted net on the sand bed large enough to just net up anything in a square foot area

thx i will keep posting any updates.