10 weeks fallow- possible ich again - thoughts

[b0bab0ey]

Okay, definitely wasn't going to be catching the tang.. He knew I was coming lol. I have prazipro on hand and do know that I could use it in the DT. If this happened to be flukes how long do you it would take to start seeing some signs that would for sure identify it? I know the YT had the spot, but from what I read flukes are not visible.. This spot was definitely visible!

Well, here's the thing. You've had all these fish for awhile now, right? And none of them have ever been treated for Flukes? So, if any of them had Flukes they would either be exhibiting major symptoms (twitching like crazy, white stringy poop) or they would be dead already. And the 8 fish still in QT should be just as infected as the 3 in the DT. TTM does nothing for Flukes, just Ich.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think I've finally met someone who is even more paranoid than me when it comes to fish diseases.

I think your tank is probably fine. :thumbsup:

 

[snake42490]

hhmm, well. When the original outbreak happened the fish were in hypo at 1.007 for 5 or 6 weeks. Realistically that would have probably kicked out flukes if I did have them. No white and stringy poop! Let's hope this tank is fine haha. I am very paranoid with my tank lol. I think the plan is going to be keeping the other fish in QT for another 6 or 7 days while watching the DT and see what's going on. I feel like that should be enough time to see if anything is going to show even if it's just the start of an outbreak. Thanks for your help man! I will keep this updated as to how things are going.

 

[b0bab0ey]

hhmm, well. When the original outbreak happened the fish were in hypo at 1.007 for 5 or 6 weeks. Realistically that would have probably kicked out flukes if I did have them. No white and stringy poop! Let's hope this tank is fine haha. I am very paranoid with my tank lol. I think the plan is going to be keeping the other fish in QT for another 6 or 7 days while watching the DT and see what's going on. I feel like that should be enough time to see if anything is going to show even if it's just the start of an outbreak. Thanks for your help man! I will keep this updated as to how things are going.

Just FYI, there's no evidence that hypo eradicates Flukes. The only thing hypo is known to kill is Crypto (s/w Ich). And there are known hypo resistant strains (see link below).

More recently, studies have demonstrated different salinity tolerances among strains of Cryptocaryon. Yambot (2003) described one Taiwanese outbreak occurring in sea bream Sparus sarba at a salinity of 5 g/L, and another outbreak in sea perch Lates calcarifer occurring at a salinity of 10 g/L. These two strains were successfully propagated in the laboratory at 7 and 10 g/L, respectively, and are well below previously documented preferred salinities.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa164

Good luck!

 

[snake42490]

I just found a couple articles that I read.. I figured since a fresh water dip will reveal flukes that hypo would do something. In that article it said some strains of flukes won't die even from fresh water dips. Hopefully I don't have that strain! All fish are doing well today. I am treating both my QT tanks with Prazi Pro at the same time as doing TTM. Thanks!

 

[snake42490]

I could swear right now. I think catching the clownfish broke down there wall and allowed the ich to take hold, because today they are covered in it. They don't have flukes. This is really stupid.. I waited the fallow period out and those fish were clean going in there. I'm just positive... I'm going to catch them are start the TTM, but this is just stupid... What do I do, wait another 10 weeks and have this situation just happen again? What would you guys do in my situation? I have a spare tank I can set up and keep the fish in no problem.. But, I am starting to think this 10 week figure isn't accurate?

 

[Mrscribbled]

Being bleaching your system is not an option, I'd set up a fish only system and re treat the fish. Let the coral system fallow for 6 months. I personally have more faith in copper treatment than hypo due to hypo resistant ich.

 

[snake42490]

6 months...

 

[Mrscribbled]

Better to be safe than sorry IMO


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[snake42490]

I thought that 99% of the cases were cleared after 10 weeks fallow?

 

[Mrscribbled]

Apparently you fall in the one percent. I've had failure at 12 weeks before. I'm just giving my opinion.


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[Chihuahua6]

I had ich come back after 4 months fallow! No one believed me. I started a thread here and everyone thought the fish had it when I put them back but they didn't.

The last time around that I had to deal with ich 13 weeks fallow was sufficient.

 

[snake42490]

Well, if everyone is having these late cases of past 10 weeks it makes you wonder if there are strains evolving and becoming more resistant or if there is a small break down in the QT process that people are missing, just small enough to the keep the parasite numbers low to the point where you can't "visually" see them. I went through my protocol and really thought about it and I did have some room for error.

The same hose that I do water changes on my main tank, I also pump fresh salt water back into the main tank and also my QT tanks. I always in-between cleaned the hose with hot water and soap, until I realized that necessarily won't kill the parasite. I am going to get a second hose to fix that problem.

The other problem, was the equipment I was using for my TTM was the same each time, I did clean the crap out of it, but there is always that chance that 1 tomont stuck around. I am getting 2 complete sets of equipment and plan on using a bleach and chlorine solution to sanitize between days then let dry for 24 hours. The pumps I plan on soaking in a solution over night because it is hard to dry the insides out them out completely.

My third breakdown, which is very minimal, but I would like your guys ideas. When I transfer the fish to go to their new container I pull them out and put them in a small container and acclimate them to the new water. I then pick them up and place them into another container with just the new water to "rinse" them off. I then after that shake the fish a bit and place them into the actual QT tank. Do you guys see any issue in that. I know that there is a small chance there could be a free swimmer, but my guess it would be rare. Do you think dipping the fish in some solution or a fresh water dip inbetween dropping them into the new water would help?

Thanks!

ALSO!!!- I am going to be QTing a bunch of fish, does anyone know of any research between doing Hypo salinity and TTM at the same time?? The reason I would be doing this is moreso to save some money because of the amounts of salt I am going through? Would this slow down the metabolism of the parasite on the fish?

 

[Mrscribbled]

Well, if everyone is having these late cases of past 10 weeks it makes you wonder if there are strains evolving and becoming more resistant or if there is a small break down in the QT process that people are missing, just small enough to the keep the parasite numbers low to the point where you can't "visually" see them. I went through my protocol and really thought about it and I did have some room for error.

The same hose that I do water changes on my main tank, I also pump fresh salt water back into the main tank and also my QT tanks. I always in-between cleaned the hose with hot water and soap, until I realized that necessarily won't kill the parasite. I am going to get a second hose to fix that problem.

The other problem, was the equipment I was using for my TTM was the same each time, I did clean the crap out of it, but there is always that chance that 1 tomont stuck around. I am getting 2 complete sets of equipment and plan on using a bleach and chlorine solution to sanitize between days then let dry for 24 hours. The pumps I plan on soaking in a solution over night because it is hard to dry the insides out them out completely.

My third breakdown, which is very minimal, but I would like your guys ideas. When I transfer the fish to go to their new container I pull them out and put them in a small container and acclimate them to the new water. I then pick them up and place them into another container with just the new water to "rinse" them off. I then after that shake the fish a bit and place them into the actual QT tank. Do you guys see any issue in that. I know that there is a small chance there could be a free swimmer, but my guess it would be rare. Do you think dipping the fish in some solution or a fresh water dip inbetween dropping them into the new water would help?

Thanks!

ALSO!!!- I am going to be QTing a bunch of fish, does anyone know of any research between doing Hypo salinity and TTM at the same time?? The reason I would be doing this is moreso to save some money because of the amounts of salt I am going through? Would this slow down the metabolism of the parasite on the fish?

Why not use cupramine? Much less room for error and I've had no problems with tangs or angles and its use. I really am not a fan of hypo. I feel its ineffective . Achilles generally don't handle hypo well even though yours survived it. I personally have not done the ttm so I cannot speak for it.

 

[Chihuahua6]

Ha! I had three Butterflies in quarantine that I received from a fellow reefer. He had them for two years. I kept them in a tank of live rock from a healthy 8 year old disease free tank. After a month guess what? They have ich. I don't even know how they got it.

I have been reading a lot about Chloroquine phosphate and that's what I am going to treat them with.
After what you have been through and the ich returning despite all your efforts I would try it on your fish too.