10G sump
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Toddrtrex
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I used acrylic baffles for the 3 sumps that I used, so I can't help with you with cutting them if too big. But, check the bottom of the tank that you are using -- make sure about where the bottom and the sides meet. Mine had silicone on the bottom on them, so I had to cut the bottom corners of the baffles to account for that.
Picture of the baffles' corners cut,
As for siliconing them. I ran a bead of silicone along the wall and bottom of the sump where I was going to place the baffle. Placed the baffle in, and then ran beads on both sides of the baffles.
Can kind of see what I am talking about in this picture. At this point I only had two baffles in so far. The piece of PVC under the one is to keep it at the proper height as it dried.
Picture of the baffles' corners cut,
As for siliconing them. I ran a bead of silicone along the wall and bottom of the sump where I was going to place the baffle. Placed the baffle in, and then ran beads on both sides of the baffles.
Can kind of see what I am talking about in this picture. At this point I only had two baffles in so far. The piece of PVC under the one is to keep it at the proper height as it dried.
Head/Loss for every pipe vertical, horizontal feet, elbows, etc, the pump will lose flow, pumps have max feet they can push water through, so its important to find your loss, Example my tank uses a Mag 7 (700GPH before loss) My tank is actually using 475GPH after head loss.
orbit
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Toddrtrex
thanks for the info, how did u cut the acrylic, or did u buy ones that are exact fit?
if its easier i might just go with acrylic as well
im still up in the air about the overflow, just want to get the sump set up and give it a leak test before i get anything else
are there any other kind of overflow boxes out there?
thanks for the info, how did u cut the acrylic, or did u buy ones that are exact fit?
if its easier i might just go with acrylic as well
im still up in the air about the overflow, just want to get the sump set up and give it a leak test before i get anything else
are there any other kind of overflow boxes out there?
Only overflow you should go with is Lifereef, Check ebay or here maybe someone is selling there's. I had other overflows and I just got my lifereef 3 days ago and I tell you best investment, really tell the diffrence, I wouldn't trust any other overflow, I had a CPR and I went to work power went out and I had a Huge water mess because power went back on and had bubbles.
Toddrtrex
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It came in sheets, want to say 18" by 36" or something like that. But, no matter what size they come in you have to cut them yourself. And it is pretty easy. I picked up a scoring tool (( blue handle in picture below )), it was right next to the sheets at HD. Just use a straight edge and score the acrylic about 10 times, then just snap it.
If you do go with acrylic go with the 1/4" thick stuff and not 1/8", the thinner stuff will work, but there will be so bowing.
EDIT,
here is a bad picture of me scoring it.
If you do go with acrylic go with the 1/4" thick stuff and not 1/8", the thinner stuff will work, but there will be so bowing.
EDIT,
here is a bad picture of me scoring it.
orbit
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cool thanks for the help Toddrtrex, i might just get that instead of glass,
but as mention above, he said not to use acrylic with glass, glass with glass and acrylic with acrylic, u have any problem with the acrylic with glass?
hmm thats a good point drillsar, dont want a flood in my house when im not home ROFL..
but i though the CPR overflow will only work when air is pump into the overflow. so lets say for instant i use a maxijet to feed air to the overflow box( with the maxijet air thingy), then when the power goes off, the maxijet goes off and there for no air into the overflow, so the overflow will stop sucking up water. right? does that make sense or is it confusing the way i put it? lol or maybe i getting the concept of that overflow wrong
but as mention above, he said not to use acrylic with glass, glass with glass and acrylic with acrylic, u have any problem with the acrylic with glass?
hmm thats a good point drillsar, dont want a flood in my house when im not home ROFL..
but i though the CPR overflow will only work when air is pump into the overflow. so lets say for instant i use a maxijet to feed air to the overflow box( with the maxijet air thingy), then when the power goes off, the maxijet goes off and there for no air into the overflow, so the overflow will stop sucking up water. right? does that make sense or is it confusing the way i put it? lol or maybe i getting the concept of that overflow wrong
Toddrtrex
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Mine oldest sump is at least 4 years old, if not older. The silicone is still holding the acrylic to the glass, so I don't see why you would have any issues. Now, I wouldn't want to make a tank out of acrylic and glass and trust the silicone to hold, but for baffles in a sump it is fine.
JUNI0R
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Head Loss = Loss of energy from friction. which comes from going through fittings, around corners or the friction of the water against the pipe as it flows. Head loss is typically calculated in feet so it can be added to the vertical height you need to push your water. This way you can look at a pump curve to determine your flow rate.
Here is an example, look at the red line. If the water in the pipe has a combined head loss and vertical distance of 10 feet, the pump can run about 2400 gph. At 20 ft head loss/vertical distance, the same pump can only push about 150 gph.
Here is an example, look at the red line. If the water in the pipe has a combined head loss and vertical distance of 10 feet, the pump can run about 2400 gph. At 20 ft head loss/vertical distance, the same pump can only push about 150 gph.
iwishtofish
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orbit, I have a 29g display with a 10-gallon sump down below:
I put in acrylic baffles. I did a messy job and they take up too much room - probably didn't even need them in the first place, as my flow is relatively low - but they hold just fine. I kind of wish I had used the extra space for the fuge, since microbubbles from my particular skimmer aren't much of a problem.
The HOB filter is just for carbon (changed weekly), which I run 24/7, as I do with the light over the chaeto.
I use a Lifereef overflow rated at about 600 gph. I believe Lifereef makes a smaller overflow box now, and I wish I had that one as mine is kind of large. I haven't ever had my Lifereef overflow lose siphon and fail to restart after I shut the power off (knock on wood
).
Best of luck with your project!! And Toddrtrex is right - you will make more trips to HD than planned! :eek2:
I put in acrylic baffles. I did a messy job and they take up too much room - probably didn't even need them in the first place, as my flow is relatively low - but they hold just fine. I kind of wish I had used the extra space for the fuge, since microbubbles from my particular skimmer aren't much of a problem.
The HOB filter is just for carbon (changed weekly), which I run 24/7, as I do with the light over the chaeto.
I use a Lifereef overflow rated at about 600 gph. I believe Lifereef makes a smaller overflow box now, and I wish I had that one as mine is kind of large. I haven't ever had my Lifereef overflow lose siphon and fail to restart after I shut the power off (knock on wood
).Best of luck with your project!! And Toddrtrex is right - you will make more trips to HD than planned! :eek2:
xpxdx
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wishtofish, how is that tunze skimmer??? i'm thinking of getting one to replace my css65... your sump makes me want to clean mine up!
orbit, if you go to lowes, or to a smaller hardware store they can cut the glass to your measurements, i don't think HD has a glass cutting area...
good luck!
orbit, if you go to lowes, or to a smaller hardware store they can cut the glass to your measurements, i don't think HD has a glass cutting area...
good luck!
mudskipper1
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I wouldnt put the cheato i the same compartment as the retur pump, the cheato will probably get sucked through the pump, you could use eggcrate like iwishtofish, but you will want some separation there. JMO
I have a 10 gal. glass sump, with acrylic baffles, and have not had a problem. I believe the original problem mentioned with this was that the acrylic would expand and contract with temperature, but your tank temp should remain constant so it should not be a probem, correct me if i am wrong
I have a 10 gal. glass sump, with acrylic baffles, and have not had a problem. I believe the original problem mentioned with this was that the acrylic would expand and contract with temperature, but your tank temp should remain constant so it should not be a probem, correct me if i am wrong
mudskipper1
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And I am using plastic tubing itead of pvc. no problems yet, knock on wood
iwishtofish
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xpxdx, I think I like the Tunze 9002 skimmer...I have a little trouble dialing it in just right sometimes, either too wet or too dry, sometimes just right - I tend to run it wet to be on the safe side. I do have a relatively light bioload, though, so that may affect things. I haven't cleaned the internal chamber since I set it up 6 months ago, and it still is going strong. I need to do that. I credit a couple of astrea snails for helping keep my sump somewhat clean!
I think the Tunze is perhaps a little pricey for its size, but probably worth it. I think if I had to do it again, I would buy one of the two models above it (if I had the clearance up above) since I am starting to collect SPS.
orbit, I don't have any high-pressure pumping going on, so the thick-walled flexible tubing works great for me on the return pump. I think it keeps vibration to a minimum. I also have my Eheim return pump resting on 4 suction cups in the sump. This helps hold the pump in place (should I bump it during water changes) and also helps act as a shock absorber for vibrations. I am using a washing machine drain hose that I bought from WalMart for my return hose. I was able to attach it pretty easily to my LifeReef prefilter (overflow) box:
I think the Tunze is perhaps a little pricey for its size, but probably worth it. I think if I had to do it again, I would buy one of the two models above it (if I had the clearance up above) since I am starting to collect SPS.
orbit, I don't have any high-pressure pumping going on, so the thick-walled flexible tubing works great for me on the return pump. I think it keeps vibration to a minimum. I also have my Eheim return pump resting on 4 suction cups in the sump. This helps hold the pump in place (should I bump it during water changes) and also helps act as a shock absorber for vibrations. I am using a washing machine drain hose that I bought from WalMart for my return hose. I was able to attach it pretty easily to my LifeReef prefilter (overflow) box:
