20 gallon frag tank setup!

I have a SH friend that has a carnation coral happily with his SH's.

Like I said, LFS's around here. They usually only have 3 or 4 aquacultured corals, and they are usually shrooms. One LFS near me gets a rock of xenia in, cuts it in half, and immediately sells both halves, and calls that aquacultured. Technically, I guess one piece is aquacultured, but it isn't really aquacultured...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8085635#post8085635 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Brock Fluharty
I have a SH friend that has a carnation coral happily with his SH's.

First, brain fart.......but what is "SH" and how long has it (the carnation) been living happily?

Like I said, LFS's around here.

Not around here, I keep at least one 75gal full now.
And if I'm not mistaken, there's that shop in Nitro..........;)
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8091122#post8091122 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Brock Fluharty
Yes, seahorse. He has had it for over 2 years now I believe. I'll try to get an exact on that.
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If your friend has had the coral for any real length of time please check and make sure it's not being mislabeled as a carnation coral.
 
Sounds a bit more like a lemnalia or a chilli to me, could be anything though.

I believe wild still needs to be sold, for now, so we can procure healthy animals for aquaculture,
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Yes and keep in mind all the prized coral in the world originated in the wild, there is nothing wrong with buying a wild colony with an intent to propagate it IMO. You have a choice in your hobby, you can be passive and let things happen and not really care. Or you can be more agressive and learn all you can to help others eventually keep such hard to keep coral. Jim makes a good point with bringing up goniopora. How many of us have killed one?
How many of us have taken the time to do what it takes to learn to keep one? I'll wager not as many. The idea is not to stay away from WC but rather to learn to give them what they need and to ween orselves from an overall dependancy on WC only.
 
I got my LOA light today, along with "metallic eggcrate". It is silver, and mirrorlike. I set it all up, and it looks really nice. I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say it looks yellow. Mine is a very crisp white color. Now I just need plugs, and i'll be ready for frags.
 
It's a carnation coral that Brock is speaking of and the fellow had it for less than a year..... about 8 months or around there. It is indeed alive, however, from recent photos does not look as well as it had when he first got it.
 
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No offense meant by this at all, but unless there was a positive ID via sclerite identification I would not claim it as a carnation just because it was sold as one. We had a similar incident around here once where I miss-Id a coral as being a "carnation" ie (dendronephthya-scleronephthya) Without positive sclerite identification, under microscope, there is no real way to say for sure what it might be. As I was told when I asked someone to ID it, he said "It's a coral".
 
Holy Love Fire! No I don't take a microscope around to attempt positive ID on corals. It looks like the coral typically labelled as a carnation at the LFS. Does my vagueness/ political correctness make you happier? SHEESH!
 
Does my vagueness/ political correctness make you happier?
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Of course not Seahorse: I am trying to explain something here for not just you but everyone who may read this. Every time we hear of a "success" with a carnation, countless people are tempted to go out and buy them as they think. "Well so and so has got one to live for X months." The truth is that most newcomers to this hobby buy on impulse and what could be a better temptation to a new hobbyist than a "carnation coral"? or a "flower pot". Which we still do not have that great of a success rate with (yet).

You will see many responses from me on this matter if you search the boards. I believe that the number of failures with such creatures lies with the responsibility of hobbyist and the LFSs in the end. I have waged an active war of information against buying and selling of dendros and goniopora in our area. I have made a small dent but for every dendro I may save, someone will miss label lemnalia, or maybe an alcyonium as a dendro and think that they have done something only a few people can do.
If you do in fact have a true carnation, it would be viable data and possibly valuable to other hobbyists. However as of now (without proper sclerite ID), any data learned has to be thrown out and it is just another no name coral.
 
It's not me who has the coral but another person in another forum. From his pictures it really does appear to be a carnation.... the very type I have passed up a thousand times.... and it also seems to be declining in captivity much as I would expect it to do. Are you doubting it's ID because of this person's success? He's only had it for 8 months.... maybe less. I don't call this success and I don't expect the outcome to be so. In the first and last pictures I can see a decline. The polyps have become dark red and shriveled almost. Definately not thriving. I think we have the same feelings about the coral.
 
I think we have the same feelings about the coral.
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We sure do, 6 months is usually the maximum turning point for these coral from what I have observed. I watched one in a friends tank slowly go from incredibly healthy to nothing in about that time frame. No matter what he did to try to feed it, it was useless.
 
This would be an awesome subject for my son to to a thesis on. In his biology class, they have to do a study on something that has not been reported on before. A study on this, reasons why they thrive in the wild, as to why they do not in captive. Not so much that this subject has not been discussed before, but an in depth study.
 
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