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Markk96
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bheron
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Ahhh! Thank you. You know, not only was the pic helpful, but it reminded me that I really need to schedule some time on your site Marc. I keep forgetting how great it is. Honestly, it might be the best reef web site I've ever seen. I really am gonna spend alot of time on there very soon. (still dont know how to get to that page from the main home page :0)
Lon - sure!! Claim all the credit here
Dont worry, I'm gonna give it a try soon so I'll let you know how it works.
Lon - sure!! Claim all the credit here
Dont worry, I'm gonna give it a try soon so I'll let you know how it works.
bheron
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Not much to update here except I survived a mini-scare.
Over the past few days I've bee noticing these small little white growths on alot of my live rock. "APTASIA!", I thought! Man was I upset as I knew it would be soo difficult to battle with such a large tank.
Well, its taken several days to disprove my theory as I'm not a premium member on RC and, if I wanna use the SEARCH feature I have to get up at 4:30 and try between 4:30 and 4:35 to do all searching (I know, its $25. I will, I will).
So, after a few days searching elsewhere, I got finally confirmed at a few places that the thingys are "Syconoid sponges of the genus Sycon" - as noted by the crew on wetwebmedia.com. I doublechecked a bunch of times with other pics. These are fliterfeeders only, and defintiely help the system. If they get out of control, however, I know I have a nutrient export problem.
Anyway, I am relieved. And, here's a good thing: I was so glad I took my time in adding livestock and corals. This is another lesson in patience.
Nothing else to report as I haven't done much, except that my YT is DEFINITELY eating all of the tiny zoos that came on a peice of LR.
I'm saving up to buy a cleaning crew as my next step before adding anything else.
Over the past few days I've bee noticing these small little white growths on alot of my live rock. "APTASIA!", I thought! Man was I upset as I knew it would be soo difficult to battle with such a large tank.
Well, its taken several days to disprove my theory as I'm not a premium member on RC and, if I wanna use the SEARCH feature I have to get up at 4:30 and try between 4:30 and 4:35 to do all searching (I know, its $25. I will, I will).
So, after a few days searching elsewhere, I got finally confirmed at a few places that the thingys are "Syconoid sponges of the genus Sycon" - as noted by the crew on wetwebmedia.com. I doublechecked a bunch of times with other pics. These are fliterfeeders only, and defintiely help the system. If they get out of control, however, I know I have a nutrient export problem.
Anyway, I am relieved. And, here's a good thing: I was so glad I took my time in adding livestock and corals. This is another lesson in patience.
Nothing else to report as I haven't done much, except that my YT is DEFINITELY eating all of the tiny zoos that came on a peice of LR.
I'm saving up to buy a cleaning crew as my next step before adding anything else.
tgunn
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Bryan,
I had sycon sponges on my live rock for a while too; my hermits ate them all though. They were neat little sponges...
Unfortunately I DO have some aptasia in my tank; and it's in spots I can't get to to treat effectively.. Be glad if you have none!!
Are the zoos all live on the rock that the YT is eating? Strange either way....
Yup, patience is the key, and definitely get that cleanup crew next.
I've just entered the cyano phase of the "new tank process".. Annoying, but I guess it's all part of the process..
How's your water cleared up?
Tyler
I had sycon sponges on my live rock for a while too; my hermits ate them all though. They were neat little sponges...
Unfortunately I DO have some aptasia in my tank; and it's in spots I can't get to to treat effectively.. Be glad if you have none!!
Are the zoos all live on the rock that the YT is eating? Strange either way....
Yup, patience is the key, and definitely get that cleanup crew next.
I've just entered the cyano phase of the "new tank process".. Annoying, but I guess it's all part of the process..
How's your water cleared up?
Tyler
bheron
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Hey tyler-
Wow, I guess I'll have to check to see if any Aptasia gets in my tank. Havent seen any as of yet.
Yea, the zoos that came on my LR were almost dead - all closed up and looked like grey lumps. The YT ate those, and is also eating the ones that are starting to open up. Mustve been 50-100 little ones and maybe about 15 left. These are the really small zoos. So, I guess that means he'll be a "zoo eater" regardless, huh?
I have to check up on the whole cyano phase, and all of the startup phases for that matter (I forget!).
The water has cleared up a ton recently. But I think I still have a fair amount of microbubbles (I dont think its sand). So, my baffles arent doing the trick. I was planning on putting in some sort of bubble tower in there eventually anyway. But, regardless, I have a slight microbubble issue and thats it!
Here's how the water enters my sump today:
Actually, its changed since this pic. I now have a third inlet coming in (from holding tank) and also have a micron bag over the water coming in which definitely helps the bubbles.
Wow, I guess I'll have to check to see if any Aptasia gets in my tank. Havent seen any as of yet.
Yea, the zoos that came on my LR were almost dead - all closed up and looked like grey lumps. The YT ate those, and is also eating the ones that are starting to open up. Mustve been 50-100 little ones and maybe about 15 left. These are the really small zoos. So, I guess that means he'll be a "zoo eater" regardless, huh?
I have to check up on the whole cyano phase, and all of the startup phases for that matter (I forget!).
The water has cleared up a ton recently. But I think I still have a fair amount of microbubbles (I dont think its sand). So, my baffles arent doing the trick. I was planning on putting in some sort of bubble tower in there eventually anyway. But, regardless, I have a slight microbubble issue and thats it!
Here's how the water enters my sump today:
Actually, its changed since this pic. I now have a third inlet coming in (from holding tank) and also have a micron bag over the water coming in which definitely helps the bubbles.
tgunn
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Bryan,
The LFS seems to have some aptasia in his system now that I look closely around his tanks. So I guess I'll have to be more careful in the future and look for it... I doubt I'll take my rocks apart to try to nuke the ones I've got now; I'll see if I can reach them where they are. If not I'll have to get some creature to help with it. Last time I took the rocks apart to nuke an aptasia I couldn't find the pesky thing because it shrank away as soon as the rock was disturbed.
That's too bad that the yellow tang has taken a liking for zoos. I guess there's always bound to be a case where something we have eats something else that it's not supposed to...
Yeah, I think the cyano will come naturally and then go away on it's own. I had a huge hair algae outbreak a few weeks ago that went away on it's own. My water tests out fine though; 0 ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and phosphate. Guess more patience is required on my behalf!! Plus side is I think there's purple spots of coraline popping up all over the place on rocks. Hopefully this isn't some kind of cyano that I've misidentitifed.. :lol:
I'm still battling the microbubbles too. My problem is that they collect on the intake screens for my pumps and then every once in a while get sucked in as a larger bubble, so my returns shoot out a few bubbles every now and then.
I'm thinking I'll have to set up a fuge area in my sump eventually; some extra live rock and perhaps chaeto would go a long way to helping the microbubbles break up.
Tyler
The LFS seems to have some aptasia in his system now that I look closely around his tanks. So I guess I'll have to be more careful in the future and look for it... I doubt I'll take my rocks apart to try to nuke the ones I've got now; I'll see if I can reach them where they are. If not I'll have to get some creature to help with it. Last time I took the rocks apart to nuke an aptasia I couldn't find the pesky thing because it shrank away as soon as the rock was disturbed.
That's too bad that the yellow tang has taken a liking for zoos. I guess there's always bound to be a case where something we have eats something else that it's not supposed to...
Yeah, I think the cyano will come naturally and then go away on it's own. I had a huge hair algae outbreak a few weeks ago that went away on it's own. My water tests out fine though; 0 ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and phosphate. Guess more patience is required on my behalf!! Plus side is I think there's purple spots of coraline popping up all over the place on rocks. Hopefully this isn't some kind of cyano that I've misidentitifed.. :lol:
I'm still battling the microbubbles too. My problem is that they collect on the intake screens for my pumps and then every once in a while get sucked in as a larger bubble, so my returns shoot out a few bubbles every now and then.
I'm thinking I'll have to set up a fuge area in my sump eventually; some extra live rock and perhaps chaeto would go a long way to helping the microbubbles break up.
Tyler
melev
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A picture of your little sponges would be good, now that you've identified them for the reader. That way we all can learn from your efforts.
I'd like to see the return area of your sump if possible, and from the side would be good. How long is your sump, and how many gph are you moving through it again?
Those zoos may have gotten to the point of no return, and thus are tang food. That doesn't mean you won't get a pretty colony one day and discover your fish ignores them completely. I've seen fish chew on one thing and yet leave everything else alone.
If you want a new fish and need some clean-up crew help for aiptasia, a Copperband Butterfly would be great. Those are tricky though, because if they won't eat prepared foods, they'll likely starve in your tank. It is best to buy one at the LFS that will eat while you watch. Or get one from a hobbyist that had it for a while.
I'd like to see the return area of your sump if possible, and from the side would be good. How long is your sump, and how many gph are you moving through it again?
Those zoos may have gotten to the point of no return, and thus are tang food. That doesn't mean you won't get a pretty colony one day and discover your fish ignores them completely. I've seen fish chew on one thing and yet leave everything else alone.
If you want a new fish and need some clean-up crew help for aiptasia, a Copperband Butterfly would be great. Those are tricky though, because if they won't eat prepared foods, they'll likely starve in your tank. It is best to buy one at the LFS that will eat while you watch. Or get one from a hobbyist that had it for a while.
tgunn
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A copperband butterfly is one of the species I've planned to get down the road, so that might not be a bad idea. Good point on having the LFS feed one before buying it. I will certainly keep that in mind when the time comes.
I will see if I have a good picture of the sponges or if there's any left in my tank....
Tyler
I will see if I have a good picture of the sponges or if there's any left in my tank....
Tyler
bheron
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Tyler - thats exactly the nightmere I pictured - trying to get every individual aptasia - impossible! Taking out rock, trying to find the things out of water. no way.
- Yep! One of gthe many beauties of this hobby. Tough to fight nature!
- Mine, too! hardly any traces of algae only a week later.
- Yep, I get that too.
- Actually, thats a great idea. I bet it will help. I have some extra pieces I was gonna throw right into my sump that I think I'll try now!
Marc -
- Excellent point. Here you go:
A Closeup of what I originally thought was Aptasia:
Syconoid sponges of the genus Sycon
As a group:
Hope that helps! Tought to find alot of info on these.
Marc -
Ok, will take some pics tonight. My sump is 48" long x 20wide and 17" deep (I think). But its def 48" long.
Moving water through at, I think, 1100gph I beleive.
- Thats nice to know. My fish will hopefully always win in favor with me, so I'm keeping him.
- I would LOVE a copperband some day. Yea, I heard exactly what youre saying about them and would only buy one I've seen eat.
Thanks for the feedback all! Marc, I'll try to take more pics of the sump.
- Yep! One of gthe many beauties of this hobby. Tough to fight nature!
- Mine, too! hardly any traces of algae only a week later.
- Yep, I get that too.
- Actually, thats a great idea. I bet it will help. I have some extra pieces I was gonna throw right into my sump that I think I'll try now!
Marc -
- Excellent point. Here you go:
A Closeup of what I originally thought was Aptasia:
Syconoid sponges of the genus Sycon
As a group:
Hope that helps! Tought to find alot of info on these.
Marc -
Ok, will take some pics tonight. My sump is 48" long x 20wide and 17" deep (I think). But its def 48" long.
Moving water through at, I think, 1100gph I beleive.
- Thats nice to know. My fish will hopefully always win in favor with me, so I'm keeping him.
- I would LOVE a copperband some day. Yea, I heard exactly what youre saying about them and would only buy one I've seen eat.
Thanks for the feedback all! Marc, I'll try to take more pics of the sump.
melev
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The sponge you pictured is called a Scypha sponge according to my records. Nice benign filter feeders. As your livestock increases, they'll decrease. No worries.
With a sump that size, this shouldn't be a problem. Something isn't quite right. Once I see the pictures I'll be able to help.
With a sump that size, this shouldn't be a problem. Something isn't quite right. Once I see the pictures I'll be able to help.
bheron
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Um, ok, well we all know how this hobby can be, right. So, here's a rundown of what's transpired since I got home tonight...
1) I get home from work and was happily checking my case of Scypha sponges that WEREN'T aptasia. Well, I see something in the way back, UNDER a rock, in the middle, bottom of the tank. I hate to say it, but it looks different than the others and...might be...aptasia. Its tough to tell b/c its partially in the dark, and the flashlight I have doesnt do the job. Eh, so I figure, maybe I do have it. Not the end of the world.
then...
2) So, I move onto my fishes. And, what do I notice all over my healthy Blue Hippo tang? ICH!!!
Yes! Can you beleive it? At least it looks like ich. He seems to be covered in spots from head-to-fin! I cant believe it! There was absoultely no sign of this before at all, in all the time i've had him, even during this rough 6 month transition period. Is it possible he can break out overnight????? :mad2:
and finally...
3) This is the lighter side of life here people. I get home with intentions of snapping some pictures of my sump with my old, out of date digital camera. Then I see the above two things happen and I realize I need to get shots of this - both for ID purposes and also for documentation. Well, I also came home from work to learn that our new Pit Bull Puppy - who eats anything - has just eaten our digital camera!
Ah, yes, you read that right. He ate it. I wish I could take a picture of it...but I CANT! The thing is in a million pieces and the lense looks like a scene from the terminator. Luckily I was able to get the flash card out of it.
Soooo.........
Even thought the other fish show no signs of ich, I'm beginning a
6 week QT as soon as tomorrow hopefully! With them out of the tank I may also try to pull up the bottom piece of rock to see if its aptasia. Or is it even worth it? Or..could I stick it with something and kill it?
Oh, and I'm also quarantining the puppy for 6 weeks too!
And I was afraid this thread was getting old.
1) I get home from work and was happily checking my case of Scypha sponges that WEREN'T aptasia. Well, I see something in the way back, UNDER a rock, in the middle, bottom of the tank. I hate to say it, but it looks different than the others and...might be...aptasia. Its tough to tell b/c its partially in the dark, and the flashlight I have doesnt do the job. Eh, so I figure, maybe I do have it. Not the end of the world.
then...
2) So, I move onto my fishes. And, what do I notice all over my healthy Blue Hippo tang? ICH!!!
Yes! Can you beleive it? At least it looks like ich. He seems to be covered in spots from head-to-fin! I cant believe it! There was absoultely no sign of this before at all, in all the time i've had him, even during this rough 6 month transition period. Is it possible he can break out overnight????? :mad2: and finally...
3) This is the lighter side of life here people. I get home with intentions of snapping some pictures of my sump with my old, out of date digital camera. Then I see the above two things happen and I realize I need to get shots of this - both for ID purposes and also for documentation. Well, I also came home from work to learn that our new Pit Bull Puppy - who eats anything - has just eaten our digital camera!
Ah, yes, you read that right. He ate it. I wish I could take a picture of it...but I CANT! The thing is in a million pieces and the lense looks like a scene from the terminator. Luckily I was able to get the flash card out of it.Soooo.........
Even thought the other fish show no signs of ich, I'm beginning a
6 week QT as soon as tomorrow hopefully! With them out of the tank I may also try to pull up the bottom piece of rock to see if its aptasia. Or is it even worth it? Or..could I stick it with something and kill it?
Oh, and I'm also quarantining the puppy for 6 weeks too!
And I was afraid this thread was getting old.
melev
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It could be ich, it could be grains of sand since you saw it when it was trying to sleep - right? You could treat it in quarantine, but I thought they basically were in quarantine all this time anyway.
To remove the offending aiptasia, you can pull out the rock and break off the piece along with the aiptasia if that is your only one. I've never been able to keep a tank aiptasia free, because they can sneak on on virtually anything.
To remove the offending aiptasia, you can pull out the rock and break off the piece along with the aiptasia if that is your only one. I've never been able to keep a tank aiptasia free, because they can sneak on on virtually anything.
Knyght
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Since you also have micro bubbles it could be that as well. Are they completely white?????
Sad but funny about the puppy. I can relate if I may, our 9 month old schnauzer ate the plug off of our office room fan a bit ago..The wife was not happy
I thought that it was funny since you can just replace the plug in by splicing. She had no idea that you can do that LOL. She thought she was going to have buy a whole new fan.
At least the camera was old and out of date. New ones are getting cheaper all the time. My wife lost her 3 month old one at the park, just picked up one for her for an early christmas present for less that $200 at Sam`s Club.
:beachbum:
Sad but funny about the puppy. I can relate if I may, our 9 month old schnauzer ate the plug off of our office room fan a bit ago..The wife was not happy
I thought that it was funny since you can just replace the plug in by splicing. She had no idea that you can do that LOL. She thought she was going to have buy a whole new fan. At least the camera was old and out of date. New ones are getting cheaper all the time. My wife lost her 3 month old one at the park, just picked up one for her for an early christmas present for less that $200 at Sam`s Club.
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