430gal., L-shaped display

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"Umm fish?"

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Build thread--433.9 gal.

I guess it's about time I start this thread. The asbestos-abatement crew is supposed to start tomorrow, so I guess I finally believe that this'll happen. :)

Last spring, my lovely bride and I found out that it was time to have our furnace replaced. Our 110-year-old, converted from coal to natural gas, covered all over the place in asbestos furnace. As we contemplated moving out to accommodate the haz mat crews, we remembered that the last time we had the floors refinished, they told us it was the last time those floors were ever going to be refinished.... Then we remembered all of those conversations about re-working the kitchen....

It was all downhill from there.

Seriously, we love the vast majority of the house, we love the location, and we don't want to move so while we were going to be out anyway it seemed like the perfect time to fit in a major remodel to make it the way we've always wished it could be. So that we never have to move again (hopefully).

We started working with an architect. We redesigned the house the way we wished, including the idea of adding three rooms stacked to the back--basement, first floor, and second floor. We then submitted what everyone thought were pretty modest remodel plans to the city and drew the worst possible scenario: We were assigned the new member of the planning department. Sigh.

She was supposed to have a month on the first round of comments. She was a month late on that. Worse, they came back with a flat, "No," that cited as support laws that don't even apply to my city zoning. It took another month to thoroughly research and refute her first comments. (At one point we had a meeting with her and her boss. Her boss said, "Do you know that there are over 400 pages of code? It's really hard to read this stuff.") She got another month to respond (and was another week late). "Yes." Woohoo! (Thanks for wasting a _ton_ of money.... :( )

So now another month-and-a-half to work on permits. We aren't entirely through that process, but the demo permits are out. So now the work begins! Woohoo, again!

Goals for the tank
I've always wanted a larger tank. I guess that pretty much goes without saying. But, I've never had a tank longer than 4' and I've never felt comfortable keeping any tangs or other larger fish in that space, so I'm planning a tank that will give fish a lot of swimming room. One of the goals of the remodel is to install a largish "spa" room downstairs because my wife and I are starting to get some physical issues. I decided that I like the option of using a big tank as a room divider between the spa and the living room so that the relaxation benefits that everyone else but me ( :) ) gets from the aquarium can be had from either side. Plus, I think it'll be cool.

I've also decided against doing as much DIY this time around because of the mentioned physical issues, so I've hired a local aquarium installer (Aqua Imports) who also happens to be my LFS to help me out.

Tank dimensions
I'm aiming for something a little different on this one. It'll be an "L" shaped tank. The first roughly 4.5' x 2' x 2' will be in the foyer as you walk in the door to my house, and then making a corner into the living room for another roughly 12' x 2' x 2'. I say roughly, because I don't know the exact plans yet for overflows and room for plumbing the closed loops. Roughly 434 gals. by my calculations. A plan might help:

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The fish room
Essentially, I have my entire current basement to play with for a fish room. I've always liked the idea I read somewhere about how large aquariums use a lot of water volume hidden out-of-sight in order to allow for more fish in the display tank than could be had otherwise. Current plans for behind-the-scenes call for a system with a 180 gal. sump, the 120 gal. and 40 gal. tanks that I currently have, and 6 more 90 gal. tanks to serve various support roles. Most of those tanks won't be filled completely, so I'm estimating system volume at about 1,100 gal. +- for displacement.

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More to come.
 
Its hard to tell in the pic if you have a overflow in the corner near the L bend in the tank. With it being such a long tank; especially since its a "L" id put a overflow in that corner as well.
 
Looks very cool. I'm guessing David Saxby's tank may have been an inspiration for your L-shaped tank, but just in case you havent seen it, here are some links:

http://www.ultimatereef.com/TOTM/2007_jan/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLRubZGWXiY

Also, since it seems like you have a lot of space to work with, have you thought about a wider tank? The possibilities for cool aquascaping increase dramatically if you go up to 3' feet wide, or even 30". Any way you do it, this sounds like a build to watch.
 
Thanks, y'all!

RayAllen--I had originally intended an overflow there, especially since the engineer has placed a steel beam right there so you can't see into that corner anyway. I believe that's what we're still planning. BTW, I'm planning for 5-6 return lines: 4 wet and 1-2 emergency overflows that only see water if there's a blockage in the others.

mcliffy2--You bet he's one of the inspirations and thanks for the links! Unfortunately, 2' is the negotiated width with my lovely bride, so I'm sure not about to change it. Besides, the engineer has already taken care of supporting it at these dimensions and I sure don't want to slow anything down at this point. Besides, I like 2' width, as I can reach just about everything (my last tank was a 120).

Since I've given you the overview, I'll also start dribbling out the details as they occur to me.

Details
The scanned plans are kind of an early version. The tub surround in the bathroom now runs the entire length of the tank and we are planning it to support my weight, giving me a ledge on which to do tank maintenance on the side of the tank that'll take saltwater a whole lot better.

I just talked to a geothermal guy a couple of days ago. We're remodeling the house and removing the old furnace as part of the deal. In my area, to get a large enough geothermal unit to heat the house in the winter means that it'll only take about 40% of the unit's capacity to cool the whole house in the summer. Lots of leftover BTUs . I told the geothermal guy of my tank plans and asked whether he could help me out. He asked all of the right questions: We talked about aquarium temperature controllers (he just needs a signal of some sort and the controller will be perfect for that), and material for heat exchangers. In the end, he's planning on just setting up my aquariums as if they were another heating and cooling zone in the house. I can set them to whatever temp I want with a 300-400% efficient heating and cooling unit (minus the costs associated with the heat exchanger, of course).
 
Andy - Wow. I can't wait to see this come together! You know this means you're going to have to host an RMRC gathering, right!?
 
miwoodar--Sure! It'll be a while, though. Probably about a year before we can move back in. Unless you all want to have a meeting in a construction zone. :D

Harleyguy--Thanks! I'm enjoying your thread, too, BTW. It seems a lot easier than my 120 given that other people are doing the back-breaking part of it, though.
 
Here's what the space looks like (sorry that I forgot these earlier):

The tank will be here.

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The fish room will be here:

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And this is the beast that started it all:

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11615825#post11615825 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by "Umm, fish?"
miwoodar--Sure! It'll be a while, though. Probably about a year before we can move back in. Unless you all want to have a meeting in a construction zone. :D

I'll bring my respirator and hardhat. Maybe we can earn you back the few months you lost while negotiating with the planning department...:)
 
:) That is the old coal-burner, converted to natural gas somewhere along the way. No moving parts on the furnace to break as long as you can live with the bills--except, of course, for the natural gas conversion. There aren't any replacement parts if that starts to rust out. For example, if someone were to store a whole bunch of salt water nearby. Oops.

The Smithsonian turned me down but suggested I keep on the lookout for someone who needs a good kiln. :)

Thanks, miwoodar. I'll hit you up on that. Actually, I've been really impressed with our builder. And I've been really impressed with _every single_ sub he's introduced me to. That's _never_ happened to me before. He told me that they have 15 year relationships with almost every sub they use. I've never heard of that before.
 
I've been working on a fish list, what do you all think?

White-cheeked tang (A japonicus)
Kole tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus)
yellow tangs (Zebrasoma flavescens) (5) or purple tangs (Zebrasoma xanthurum) (5)
scribbled rabbitfish (Siganus doliatus)
Bartlett's Anthias (Pseudanthias bartlettorum), a school of 11-15
a small Resplendent anthias (Pseudanthias pulcherrimus) harem (3-5) (I've kept these before and really liked them)
Pink skunk clown (Amphipirion perideraion) pair
Onyx perc pair (Amphiprion percula)
3-5 bicolor blennies (Ecsenius bicolor)
a pair of lawnmower blennies (Salarias fasciatus), if I can find them
a pair of orchid dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani)
a pair of Bangaii cardinals (Pterapogon kauderni), if I can find tank-raised
a pair of sixline wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia), if I can get a pair
1 M, 2 F Scott's fairy wrasse (Cirrhilabrus scottorum) or 1 M, 2 F of Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus solorensis)
Several yellowhead jawfish (Opistognathus aurifrons)
Mandarin pair (Synchiropus splendidus)

Remember, I don't have a lot of experience with bigger fish, so any input is welcome. Especially general compatibility and order of intro info would be nice.
 
Well, yeah....

The fish I have kept before:
scribbled rabbitfish (Siganus doliatus)
a small Resplendent anthias (Pseudanthias pulcherrimus) harem
Pink skunk clown (Amphipirion perideraion) pair
Onyx perc pair (Amphiprion percula)
1 M, 2 F of Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus solorensis)


I've kept one of each of these. I'm especially worried about multiples of these, but would like to pair them off, if possible.
3-5 bicolor blennies (Ecsenius bicolor)
a pair of lawnmower blennies (Salarias fasciatus), if I can find them
a pair of sixline wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia), if I can get a pair
Mandarin pair (Synchiropus splendidus) (I know that these are pretty easy to pair and I know what to look for)


So, I guess I should have phrased it better. Sorry. I'm really interested in reproduction in the reef tank. So, I'm trying to pair as many of the fish I put in as possible. I don't have experience with the tangs, so I don't know how they'll react to the other fish I'm planning.

So, any help? Thanks!
 
Well, the asbestos people DID finally start work today. The build is officially started! We are still fighting with permits, or we would be except the person is out of town. Permits is trying to get us to put a window on the new part of the basement. I have no real attitude either way, but doing it would mean another round of stuff through the engineer and just more time in general.
 
Thanks! That water heater is going, the chimney is being removed, and the builders are going to re-route all of those pipes you see, so the space should be much more workable. Heck, they are even planning to pull the concrete, since they have to pour a whole bunch of new foundation anyway, so I should get a little more head room as well.
 
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