450 Cube tank build thread. Here I go!

stlouisguy

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I am finally moving into the world of large tanks. I currently have a 175 bowfront and am moving into a 6ft by 4 ft 30 inch tall cube 450 gallon. I am going to install this inwall in my basement but have chosen probably the hardest area of the basement for it (basement is already finished so don't have a choice about location) The tank is going to be viewable from two side, front and left side. I am getting the tank from a fellow reefer who is downgrading in size. Here is where the tank will go, with two sides viewable. The wall where the door is now is just over 4ft so the tank will go the length of that wall
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This is the wall between the bathroom and storage room where the door on the right is going to be moved to access the room
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And this is the room that I cleaned out all day yesterday to make room for a dedicated fish room
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So far I have discoverd a few hurdles to overcome. First one is there is no place to tap a pipe for my ro/di and no drains for the waste water. Right now it is across the basement in my other unfinished area. The only thing I can think of is off of my main there is a faucet that maybe can be set up to a ro/di in some way and drain the wastewater into the adjoining bathroom.

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Here is the room almost cleaned out

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Here is the tank when the owner was setting it up in his basement. Stand is included. Its 1 1/2" acrylic from envision, this is the short side of the cube. Should be fun getting the tank out of his basement (no walkout!)

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And finally here is the sump that will be hooked up to it. Sump is 4ft by 4ft

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So thats it for now. I am getting about 350 lbs of rock also which I am going to try and pick up this weekend to start cooking it. I hope to get buildout done in the next month or so. I also need to move my low voltage and cable connections off the wall I am going to cut, install outlets that will handle the load, find a contractor to move the door, cut the hole, install doors above the viewable section of tank, and more stuff I havent even thought of yet. I'm lucky to have a HVAC guy who posts here living in St Louis to help me figure out how to vent this room (again nothing apparently easy so far come to mind)

More updates to come as I screw stuff up or get it right!
 
for the ro/di why not tie into the copper line with a saddle valve?you could use the faucet fitting to feed a sink to wash things out.

and for the drain ,you could set up a sink in the room that drains into a tank of some kind with a pump in it that operates when it gets full and pump it into the bathroom or the unfinished area where the drain is.theres a name for that setup ,but my mind is going blank.
 
And so it continues.......

Today I picked up the rock from the current owner. Here is his tank before we broke it down. All we did today was get the rock out of it. Now the problem was he has battled bubble algae ever since he set this tank up and it was covered in it. As we took the rock out we pulled off as much bubble as we could, and we fulled a 5 gallon bucket over halfway with bubbles. This doesnt count the ones that popped or was left of the rock.

This rock though, after I got it out of the tank, is amazing in 1. size 2. shape 3. caves and overhangs. Pics below show the size and shape.

Now my plan was to try and keep the rock alive, yet clean it off so I decided to cook the rock in the dark for 4-6 weeks after I powerwashed it. I think I got the majority of the stuff off and still kept the bacteria alive. Last pic is the tub it is cooking in. Its 100 gallon tub and if there was another piece of rock it wouldnt have fit.

Here is the tank (stole the picture) before we tore it down
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Here are some pieces before I powerwashed them on my driveway
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Here is a little hitchhiker

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Here is the three wheelbarrow loads I took around back


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and finally everything in the tub

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Next on the hit parade is 1. ventilation of the room 2. Water supply and top off 3. Electric ran 4. Finding a carpenter

'til next time.........
 
dang that acrylic is THICK did he have it overbuilt?

i'm sure this will be a thread to watch for quite sometime!

Lunchbucket
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7973984#post7973984 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lunchbucket
dang that acrylic is THICK did he have it overbuilt?

i'm sure this will be a thread to watch for quite sometime!

Lunchbucket
Envision tank with 1 1/4 inch acrylic. No bowing here!
 
Yeah its overbuilt a bit, but will provide with worry free peace of mind for years to come. The weight is probably the worst part of it and I am not looking forward to moving it LOL.

The tank is designed to handle a 5000 gph pump and I am going with the hammerhead along with duels 6100's and 6200's so the flow should be great.

Not sure how often work will progress in the next few weeks or so but as I make changes I will be updating.

Thanks for watching!
 
theres a name for that setup ,but my mind is going blank.

You are looking for a macerating pump. Along the lines of these:

http://www.saniflo.com/products.asp

I plumbed my fishroom into my basement and had a plumber come out and deal with this stuff (cutting into a main sewer line ABOVE your head and having the plumber deal with it = priceless :) ). Basically, you have a pump in a bucket with a float valve. When the bucket fills, the pump kicks on. There's a heavy-duty check-valve between the bucket and the sewer line so sewage doesn't backflow. It's pretty noisy when the pump kicks on and even noisier when the check valve kicks in, but having a utility sink downstairs is worth it.

Good luck with your build!

Andy
 
Can you explain a bit about how the sump works? Can't work out what all that does... :)
 
thanks for posting the name "umm fish".i coudlnt remember what those were called.they work great though,had a friend use one for his bar in the basement.they are a bit loud,but not loud enough to drive you nuts.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8017734#post8017734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rossthefishman
can you pressure wash the rock without any damage? it'd be a faster curing process.


he had stated that he already preasure washed it. to me i figured it would damage it but i guess not since hes already done it.
 
Time to update progress

Today I moved the door. Now I know it sounds like a small job moving a door but it took me all day but was very rewarding. As I have never done any carpentry work before this was very cool when I got it right. I think I will have to replace some trim on one side that split out on me, but overall very happy. Wall tear down is next

Here are some pics


In Progress

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Done
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Additionally James from Envision sent me some background on the tank that I thought people would find interesting:

I thought I'd throw out a little background info on the tank for ya:
The previous owner of the tank wanted one that served all of his purposes (eurobraced, large overflow, lotsa flow) and also one that didn't have any discernable deflection and he would never have to worry about, so we came up with this one. I'm glad that the tank will continue to provide the same benefits in it's new home
Tank Specs::
The tank is 72 x 48 x 30", 1.25" material on the clear vertical panels, 1" black on the overflow end. Top & bottom are 1" acrylic. IIRC the overflow is roughly 24 x 8", made from 3/4" black acrylic and shoud be able to hande ~7000gph. All acrylic is Polycast cell cast acrylic.
The tank is eurobraced so no crossbracing and has hand polished corners to reduce the risk of crazing. Since it was to have no crossbracing, we upped the material thickness to reduce deflection and handle the added stress. We used NIJ Level I bullet resistant material for the 1.25" acrylic for it's increased ability to handle stress without failure and further reduce the risk of crazing.
I hope you enjoy the tank as much as we enjoyed building it and I look forward to following your thread as it progresses


More to follow



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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8016981#post8016981 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NexDog
Can you explain a bit about how the sump works? Can't work out what all that does... :)

Sure, the sump is just a simple sump but is 4ft by 4ft that can handle up to 7000 gph flow. It has 4 baffles to reduce bubbles and a 2ft by 4 ft chamber at the end for whatever. Has a build it float valve and the middle thing is a dosing station for charcoal with a small pump in the sump that drives water through three chambers.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8017810#post8017810 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pitbullpooch
he had stated that he already preasure washed it. to me i figured it would damage it but i guess not since hes already done it.

Actually I would suggest it. Its been skimming and cooking for a week and no color is lost, nice skimmate is coming off, didnt have that much crap come out of rock when I water changed today, very happy with the result of powerwashing. Really it just takes the outside stuff off and leave the bacteria inside the rock fine.

Thanks all!
 
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