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I can certainly relate Sanjay. Those sleepless nights will take their toll! Obviously the superglue is only a temporary solution, and I have to think that it's the precursor to a larger failure. Have you done any research on windshield repair systems? I wonder if the same process they use on them would work on a tank, and what the strength factor would be?

I "patched" a small leak in my acrylic overflow using the Deltec 2-part, but it was a low pressure situation. I have to wish you good luck! Your contributioins to the hobby are immeasurable, and I sure hope you can get beyond this.
 
Is there any way to reach the inside of that corner? Silicone will set up underwater. So will epoxy. Why not super glue from the inside? Might even be a good idea to remove the exterior super glue first & start the leak in order to draw super glue into the leak from the inside. I don't know, just thinking out loud. I can't help but think a smart guy like you with so many connections will get it fixed. Good luck.
 
SanJay, I am still in the process of reading your build thread and am up to the page where you got your corals from Live Aquaria. My question: Will you be placing these corals in your tank attched to the plugs they came on, will you cut the bottom off the plugs and then place the flat part of the plug with the coral attched in your tank or will you remove the coral from the plug and glue the coral to a piece of live rock. No SPS corals in my tank yet, thats why I am asking. Thanks for your time.
 
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hi,if u cant fix leak u can stick plastic bag under corner of leaking side of the tank,put 1/4 inch tubung in corner of the bag (like cream bag for bakers ) and drop tubing back in your sump ,so even if tank continius leaking it 'll go back in to sump not on floor
 
SanJay, I am still in the process of reading your build thread and am up to the page where you got your corals from Live Aquaria. My question: Will you be placing these corals in your tank attched to the plugs they came on, will you cut the bottom off the plugs and then place the flat part of the plug with the coral attched in your tank or will you remove the coral from the plug and glue the coral to a piece of live rock. No SPS corals in my tank yet, thats why I am asking. Thanks for your time.

Here is what I did. Wherever it was possible to remove the coral easily from the plug I removed it. In cases where it was grown over the plug, I put it in with the plug.

sanjay.
 
hey sanjay - very sorry to hear about your leak! how long has tank been running? has it ever been moved, or has it been in this location since the beginning? is it still under warranty? (I assume Murphy took care of that for you...)
 
There are several things that happened to this tank in the last 9 months, that have impacted the tank in some way or another. So here are the stories of issues that I have run into.

1) In Dec/Jan, while I was away on Christmas vacation, the CO2 tank ran out. This dropped the alkalinity in the tank to 5 dkH. No idea how long it stayed that way, but I ended up loosing some of the more colorful and sensitive SPS.

2) A few months later there was another big alkalinity swing. For some reason the CO2 leaving the tank was not reaching the reactor. I could see the bubbles in the bubble counter, so I did not catch it. Becoming lazy in testing compounded the problem and I did not detect it until I started seeing it in appearance of the corals. I checked every single joint for leaks and all checked out fine. It turned out that there was a long crack along the length of the CO2 tube feeding the reactor. I was using the RO water line tubing to feed the CO2 and it developed a crack. I caught it after submersing each tube in water and testing it under pressure. Well, that also dropped the alkalinity again down to 5 dkH, and happened just as the corals were recovering from the previous alkalinity disaster. This took out a few of the smaller corals that were affected by the previous incident but were still holding on.

3) This summer for a stretch of 9 weeks, I was only home for 8 days, of which only 6 were continuous. So the tank was subjected to severe neglect. This also had its impact. The flatworm population bloomed since I was not able to keep up with a weekly blasting schedule (which worked quite well for me). This time around it really impacted the milliporas, and one humilis/gemiferra. Large corals can handle small numbers of flatworms easily, but large numbers can definitely affect them adversely.

4) Coral growth was also taking its toll. Corals were overgrowing each other and starting to shade other coral and killing them by blocking the light. This led to me hacking out some large corals from the tank.

4)Additionally I found out in late July, that my nitrates in the tank were completely off the charts (around 80-100 ppm) according to the Salifert kit. The old kit I was using was too old and gone bad and not showing nitrates. When I switched to the new kit... wow.. off the scale nitrates. I retested with another kit and same results - so now it was confirmed that nitrates in the tank had creeped up to really high levels. With lots of fish, and others feeding my tank while I was gone the nitrates level got too high. So now I am working on a gradual reduction of nitrates. This has given me an opportunity to play with the Zeovit system, and see how well it works in bringing down the nitrates. I started using the most basic of the Zeo system - the stones in a Zeoreactor, and Zeostart2 at 1/4 of the recommended dose for 2 weeks, and then increased it to 1/2 the recommended dose. This was started in mid August. I want to do its slowly so as not to impact the tank by sudden changes. Time will tell how well this will work. So the high nitrates are definitely impacting the color too.

5) Just as things were finally in steady state and under control, about 3 weeks ago I came home and noticed a small puddle of water on the floor. Not thinking too much about it I mopped it up. A couple of days later the puddle reappeared. This time - A reefer's 2nd worst nightmare flashed before my eyes .... A leaking tank. In complete denial I checked all the plumbing to make sure it was not the plumbing that was causing it. For the next couple of days I was still in denial.. it just could not be the tank, must be the sump, etc. Well after a couple of days of denial, I had to face the truth... it was the tank that had sprung a small leak somewhere. And of course as Murphy would have it, it was showing up in the front right corner behind the wood paneling. The only way to even see it was to remove a chunk of the wood paneling to even get a look at where the water was dripping. Not being able to do it myself I had to wait a couple of days to get a friend to come over and help. During this time I spent the nights tossing and turning unable to think of anything else but.. "What would I do if I had to drain the tank to fix it". The thoughts of tearing down the tank were just ripping my guts out. Thoughts of leaving the hobby for a while crossed my mind. Knowing Murphy, I knew the worst would happen to me. While ripping out the panels, I kept thinking I know the leak will be from a spot on the bottom seam where it cannot be reached easily or seen and is traveling along the bottom and showing up in the front corner. A few days prior to this I had tried to contact Aquarium Obsessed to ask for potential ways to fix this, and once again had to deal with Murphy's Law. AO was not answering their phones, the mailboxes were full, and they no longer had a forum on RC. After talking to others, I had a few suggestions on what I could try. Once the panels were removed, I took a towel and started drying up the wet areas in the hopes of finding the leak, all the while thinking "I will never find it". Imagine my surprise and joy when I noticed a small droplet forming at the bottom front right corner (where the 3 seams meet). I could not believe it, that I actually found the leak. Now thoughts started to fly in my head, on what I could to mitigate the problem while a more permanent solution was found. I even thought about rigging up a channel that would take the leak and run into the sump below the tank. A crude prototype actually worked ! Since I had nothing more to lose at this point, I decided to try an idea suggested to me by one of my friends (Dominic from Manhattan Reefs) and backed by 2 others Rich Ross and Gresham - super glue. Willing to give it a try, I dabbed a bunch of IC -gel on my finger and rubbed it into the spot where the droplets of water were forming. And Lo and Behold... as soon as the glue dried there was no more water leaking. I could not believe my luck.. somewhere some REEF GOD was smiling at me, probably swayed by all the sacrifices I promised. Its been almost 3 weeks now and the super glue has held. I am still working on a more secure solution. So if you have any suggestions let me know, as long they do not involve draining the tank.

Here is a picture of the super glue patch...

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6) The bulbs are 16 moths old, bases and under sides of some corals have receded from alkalinity swings, and shading due to growth.

At this point I am just happy to still have a tank, so I could care less about any reduction in color of the corals.

So as promised.. here you have the full saga of my tank.

sanjay.



Wow.... I'm very sorry to hear about all of your problems with the tank:(
I can ceartainly understand being extremely busy and still trying to keep a tank going (although not a tank of your proportions obviously). Like yourself I've had thoughts of getting out, like most rational people do after a while that are just too busy to take on this hobby:) Good luck with the leak and thanks for your response.

Chris
 
i hope the crack repair holds. what if it doesn't. i would not want to contemplate emptying my tank to fix a leak. i have enough tanks to store everything in but...

the tank is still looking fabulous despite your issues.

thanks for coming by and giving me your advise on my tank. it is slowly getting better with ASW use. i have changed out about 50% so far.

Carl
 
That's a horrible chain of events. Any progress with AO?

What ratio did you mix the thorite cement with water to? Any concerns with it having leached something into your tank?

Thanks,
Paul
 
Glad the reef gods were smiling on you the day you superglued. It might be possible to isolate the rest of the tank from the corner using a panel inside the tank. Pump the water out of the newly created temporary corner compartment and voila, dry tank to work with. GL
 
There's almost nothing worse than coming back to a thread you've always loved and upon going to the first post on the last age you read about *something* that has gone wrong with the system and then having to backtrack in fear.

That tank still looks breath-taking and I hope you're able to avert disaster here. One of my favorite tanks of all time and to hear you mention getting out or even considering it saddens me.

You're the man. So power through and best of luck!
 
the brits have this perhaps you can order some for your leak?looks like it would work well


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This is an amazing tank! I can only dream of having a tank like this one day. I hope you find a good solution to the leak. How about a small square of glass or acylic (Im not sure if the tank is glass or acylic) and patch it to the leak area using weld on or silicone.

Please keep us updated with the results that you get from Zeovit. Im very impressed with the huge colonies that you have in this tank, how long have you had these colonies? How long did it take to get that huge?

One question, is this a purple monster?
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Thanks.
 
I have used then Gold Label Sealer and can vouch for its effectiveness. It really does cure under water.

You can use it to glue a "patch" over the leak.
 
This is an amazing tank! I can only dream of having a tank like this one day. I hope you find a good solution to the leak. How about a small square of glass or acylic (Im not sure if the tank is glass or acylic) and patch it to the leak area using weld on or silicone.

Please keep us updated with the results that you get from Zeovit. Im very impressed with the huge colonies that you have in this tank, how long have you had these colonies? How long did it take to get that huge?

One question, is this a purple monster?
corals-100109-2.gif


Thanks.

Tank is Starfire glass. Been set up 3 years this Thanksgiving. (I had to go back to the 1st few posts to verify) The build is 4 years old but the Stocking is right at 3 years.
 
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One question, is this a purple monster?
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Thanks.

Well, it my purple monster - its big and its purple so I guess it could qualify for that title :D I have never been one to fall for the hype corals. I could not tell you what the corals I have are called these days in the hobby.

I like unusual growth forms even if they are brown, mixtures of different shapes, and absolutely love anything that grows in table forms.

sanjay.
 
i hope the crack repair holds. what if it doesn't. i would not want to contemplate emptying my tank to fix a leak. i have enough tanks to store everything in but...

the tank is still looking fabulous despite your issues.

thanks for coming by and giving me your advise on my tank. it is slowly getting better with ASW use. i have changed out about 50% so far.

Carl

Carl:

Glad to hear that your tank is getting better.

sanjay.
 
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