55g Setup - Hardware/Livestock

Jaghatai

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I apologize in advance for the possibly "TLDR" post, I've got quite a few thoughts, doubts, and ideas, and I'd like advice from those with more experience.

I've recently come into possession of a free, used 55 gallon tank/stand with misc. other items. So, what else would I do with it, other than my first attempt at a saltwater tank!

This will be my first tank, and I'm looking for any and all suggestions on both hardware and livestock. Eventually I would like to move on to corals, so I'm primarily interested in long term residents.

First off, some things won't add up, I'll explain each choice on equipment later on, I realize some things won't add up.



HARDWARE:

Heating - 100 Watt Fluval Tronic Heater
Lighting - Coralife 260 Watts, 50/50 Bulbs
Filtration - Fluval 305 Canister Filter, Seaclone 100.
Water Flow - Two Zoo Med Power Sweep 214s

Also planning on making a sump/refugium, using an Eshopps 800gph overflow and a Rio 2100 pump. I primarily want this to hide the gear, and later on to grow macro algaes to further control water quality.

The sump I plan on making like so:

http://i9.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/b2/c2/e412_1.JPG

The overflow was purchased at my LFS for cheap because of a crack in the part that held it on to the tank. It was 50% off for an easy fix. I also purchased a rio 2100 in the same store that was on sale, I felt more comfortable with around a 400gph flow after head loss than I did going for the full 800 the overflow can do. The way the owner explained it to me, the overflow won't flood the tank, it will only provide enough water to keep up with the pumps output. If this is wrong, please tell me.

The reason for the undersized heater is because it was on sale at the LFS for cheap, and the tank will be sitting in a room that is at all times sitting between 78 and 80 degrees.

The Seaclone will be either replaced or supplemented with another skimmer eventually, unless the mods shown on the DIY page here work as well as they say. I'm considering purchasing either a Turboflotor 1000, an Aqua C Urchin, or the Coralife 125/220.

The lighting may eventually be replaced by two Aqualights, as I understand it the bulbs are more suited toward growing corals I was told. That or one of the PC/MH Fixtures for sale out there. That will be done when my tank is ready for corals.



LIVESTOCK:

2 Ocellaris Clowns
2 Neon Gobies
1 Flame Dwarf Angel
1 Royal Gramma
? Yellow Tailed Blue Damsels
1 Pincushion Urchin
2 Blood Red Shrimp
? Cleaning Crew

The Clowns and the Dwarf Angel are must-haves for me. My family and I are absolutely in love with these two types of fish. Though alot of what I read say the Angel may be a problem with corals.

The Neon Gobies and Gramma are there to add color, they seem like decent choices.

I plan on using one damsel to start the nitrogen cycle, and I've read they like to be kept in groups. They look quite attractive, so I may get more of them if they prefer group over solitary life. If a group of them would overcrowd the tank and they prefer group life I may look for another way to cycle the tank.

The live rock that was given to me as well, around 40-50 lbs is my guess, came covered in a thick red slimy algae. I'm unsure if I should even use the rock. The guy who runs my LFS said, after seeing a sample of the rock in question, that an Urchin would take care of the algae without a problem. Though I'd prefer one of the ones with the longer black spines over the pincushions if they both would do an equally well job.

The shrimp were chosen for color. I realize that they are territorial, I was hoping the 48x13" tank would provide adequate space to house two.

I'm unsure of what would be needed to keep a tank this size clean. The hermits look cool, mithrax crabs cooler, and snails are "meh". I'd accept whatever recommendations are taken on this issue. The wholesaler recommendations for a 55 gallon seem a little high to me, things like 50ish crabs and 50ish snails, and sea stars/cucumbers.

I have roughly 80 lbs total of aragonite sand. I bought two new bags of seachem "oolitic aragonite" and was given around 40 lbs of caribsea aragonite sand.

As far as adding fish goes, I assume I add the one damsel right away to get things going? Or does the live rock take care of things, and I only add fish after it's finished cycling? When should I add this "cleaning crew" and the Urchin?
 
Don't add fish to cycle the tank it is very hard on the fish ( I learned this the hard way)also damsels can become VERY aggressive(I also learned this the hard way... had to take back my damsel)..... urchins can sometimes knock over and irritate corals as well as eat A LOT of coralline algae, which can be annoying... do NOT get a sandsifting starfish if... I'd recommend a serpent star(correct me if im wrong)... you should have about 50 hermits/50 snails atleast tahts what i do.... they are usually pretty small and are about a dollar each... mithrax I believe sometimes cause problems with aggression although I have never had one.... and IMO i'd stay away from cucumbers because they can release toxins that kill fish.... btw if another cool crab I've seen is the hawaiian strawberry crab... they are peaceful and will eat uneaten food and annoying algaes
 
Sorry for my horrible grammar, I am tired and jsu typing fast

btw my fire shrimp(blood red) is very friendly...just thought I'd add that in =]
 
Heh, I've heard the horror stories about a cucumber getting into a pump/powerhead and killing off the entire tank.
 
Dump the canister filter for a good HOB skimmer.
Even if the sump Idea is put on hold to do this.
I got away with a 100 watt for a while.
But just switched out to a 250 watt.
 
(thsi is from what i read from other posts bud) btw the live rock if it is uncured will cycle the tank... (or if it has been cured and you got it via mail then the dies off from the algea/things on it will cycrle it) however sense you picked it up at a LFS there wont be so much die off =(... (best to get someone to confirm that tho like i said this is only from what i have read) you could also throw a piece of shrimp in the tank(frozen usualy err thaw it 1st lol) in there and that will cycle it =P...

o dont get turbo snails... they have a habbit of knocking everything over O.o i know narsasius?? are really good at sandsifting =P....

starfish have a tendicy to slowly die (they starve to death due to lack of food) which is why you wouldnt want to get them.... as for the urchins i was looking at getting one too...

but aparently like he said they have a habbit of eating all the coraline algea (purple algea -- it has different colors as well.. but its the more benificial form of algea)...

definatly check out this thread (read every page if u have the time its worth it) it is done by water keeper ---> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=239848

it answered ALOT of questions for me (but its long, and worth reading took me a week lol)

hope that helps somewhat lol =) but definatly check out the thread,some of it you can scroll over but theres some info in there that is very very useful =)
 
Sounds good.
And like mentioned above here,you don't need to use a Damsel to start the cycle.Just toss a raw cocktail shrimp in there and bingo.....instant cycling.
Also,no urchin.Just get the tank cycling.The algae might not even make it through the ammonia spike.
Just do one thing at a time....look observe....correct.Don't try to plan out everything in advance like that.Chances are something is going to change or happen to change all that.
Go slooooooooow,make sure you use ro/di water.
Get timers for you lights.
And don't listen to this.

"The wholesaler recommendations for a 55 gallon seem a little high to me, things like 50ish crabs and 50ish snails, and sea stars/cucumbers."

Read here and as many books as possible.I have 2 very large turbos,astrea snails,half dozen crabs, that clean my tank up pretty good.Your only going to want a few hardy ones after the cycle to test things out.
Good luck....
 
Understood on the cycling, there will definitely be die off on the rock, it's covered in algae. Red slime and green (coraline?) algae that seems like it's almost part of the rock.

And I already had timers for the lights, $2.99 at Harbor Freight.
 
Yeah,that die off should be enough to get it going.You should notice your ammonia begining to rise on like day 2-3.If you can get a used filter pad,cup of sand from an established(clean) tank it will help shorten your cycle.I would start skimming right away also.A good HOB skimmer will clean out some of the scum that will happen from the algae.That green calcified stuff sounds like coralline.

Great,you're going to want to go lights out for a while.This will really put a hurt on that nuisance algae(almost sounds like cyanobacteria).I'd only turn the lights on to inspect things once in a while.The lights out will not effect your cycle or cycle time.
 
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