75 or 90 rimless reef tank

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This is going to be my first time doing a saltwater aquarium and I got some ideas for lighting and filtration. Is this a good size to start with or should I look at something smaller or bigger. I'm planning on having sps and lps as well as soft corals and a fox faced rabbit fish. Beyond that I don't know.
 
in my opinion, the best starter size is a 120 (if you're looking for a 4 ft long max). same dimensions as a 90 just another 6 inches front to back. It makes a huge difference in aquascaping, and also you have more water volume
 
When I put together a tank I base it on what kind of lights I am going to use. Are you going to be running leds or T5?
Cadlight makes a great aquarium. I have the 50 rimless.

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Go the biggest you can afford, so the 90. It gives you more room to mess up as a newbie.

For example, if you take a coffee cup of water and a gallon of water and put one drop of food coloring in each, you'll see more of it in the coffee cup. More water to dilute your parameter problems.
 
I don't know if I can afford a 120. That's bigger filtration more lighting and more money

the only bigger expense would be the larger tank. You could use the same lighting that you would use on the 90 or 75. Also, the skimmer should be the same skimmer you would use in the 75 or 90.
 
oh and my biggest word of a advise as far as equipment goes, STALK the for sale section for great deals on barely used items
 
oh and my biggest word of a advise as far as equipment goes, STALK the for sale section for great deals on barely used items

Yup! I snagged a 75g with coast to coast overflow, 35" stand, hood, heaters, 1900gph return pump, all the plumbing & 40g sump for $100.

Then I seen a 120g with stand for $250 a day later, I should have waited :what:


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Yup! I snagged a 75g with coast to coast overflow, 35" stand, hood, heaters, 1900gph return pump, all the plumbing & 40g sump for $100.

Then I seen a 120g with stand for $250 a day later, I should have waited :what:


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thats a really great deal :O i got a sro 1000sss skimmer practically new for 205
 
I went with a 90 for my first SW tank and love it, but I do wish it was 6 feet long, or even 8 feet, so my advice is go as big as you can - you won't regret it.
 
I don't know if I can afford a 120. That's bigger filtration more lighting and more money

As others have said, the cost for the equipment is pretty much identical. On this site (I can't vouch for this company - I've never bought anything from them), the price differential for a 120g vs 90g with pre-installed overflow is $270. I can guarantee that you will have forgotten about that $270 in a year's time.

I started my first reef in a 90 gallon all-glass in 1993. I still have the tank, but it is setting empty in the basement at present. The reason is that it's just too dang narrow from front-to-back.

But, if you're suffering sticker shock (and it's a really common disease with your first reef aquarium!), here's a way to ease into this (addiction) without dropping a ton of cash:

First, re-think your fish ambitions. Some rabbitfish get really large, and there are literally hundreds of cool species that will be perfect for a 75 gallon or less. Insisting on a reef with a school of yellow tangs or several large angelfish means big money.

Go to your local Petco. Until the 27th, they will sell you any size tank they have for $1/gallon. My local one had a 75 gallon, several 40 gallon breeders (very popular for a small tank), and a 60 gallon. If you go for the 40 breeder, buy two. Also buy a 10 gallon, or better, a 20 gallon high. These are your quarantine or "emergency" tanks. It's a good way to mix up saltwater that doesn't take up all the space of a brute trash can.

Buy a hole drilling kit and an overflow from gla$$hole$.com. Drill the tank yourself and install one of their overflows (they are far superior to the space-hogs that All-Glass and Perfecto put in their "Reef Ready" tanks anyway). Even if you have to buy a high-end lithium ion drill to do it, you're still going to come out ahead, and you have a nice drill to boot.

The reason you are buying two 40's (or 2 60's, or 2 75's) is that if you break one drilling the overflow, you've got a spare. If you don't break one, you have an instant live-rock curing tank that you can then sell for what you paid for it when you're done.

Build a stand. For a smallish 90, 75 , 60 or 40 breeder, you can make a perfectly serviceable stand that will look good even if you don't have much in the way of carpentry skills. Follow the advice on this forum - there are lots of threads with cool stands made of screwed-together pine boards from the home center.

OK, you have your tank with an overflow and a stand. Here's the absolute minimum equipment list for a manually-maintained (and much cheaper than an automated) tank from a guy that used to do it before the advent of dosing pumps, aquarium computers, and lots of other fancy gear that was utterly unaffordable back in the day:

Skimmer. - I'd recommend spending the dough for one of the less expensive reef octopus ones. Cheaping out here will get you a very noisy, ineffective skimmer that needs constant fiddling to work right (I have several in storage that could be described this way). If you want to save cash, then get a good, column-type air-stone driven skimmer and Coralife luft pump. Wooden airstone skimmers went out of style because they need more maintainence, not because they don't work - some think they work better than even needle-wheel skimmers.

Sump - Remember that 10 gallon tank? It'll work fine for a sump if you have a 40 gallon breeder, otherwise you can use a rubbermaid storage container (I'm not joking - they work quite well, and they cost $7).

Pump - Again, don't go really cheap here. Get an eheim, they're bulletproof. Otherwise, a troll through the equipment forum on reef central - you'll quickly get an idea about what brands to avoid. You don't need a pump big enough to turn your tank over 20 times an hour. Presuming you got a good skimmer, you can go with 5-8 times an hour, many successful reef tanks have return flow this low.

Powerheads for circulation - get hydor koralias, or if you need to go cheaper, get zoo med powersweeps. The zoomeds work well, you'll just have to do more maintenance on them to keep them oscillating.

Heater - no question, get an eheim-jager. They're only a little more money than the dirt-cheap no-names, and they're also bullet proof.

Lights - If you can afford it, get LED lights from buildmyled.com. They don't come with fancy weather effects, but they're robust, easily repairable, and no LED fixture is going to hold its value, even the top-of-the-line german-made GHL fixtures. The LED system will make things cheaper for you, because you won't have to have a chiller, and you won't have to keep your house/apartment AC cranked way down in the summer to keep your reef tank from dying. Failing this, go with a T5 fluorescent fixture. They'll be hotter and consume more electricity, but they are proven technology.

Test equipment - this is a requirement, you can't keep a reef without it (at least for long). You need, at minimum, a hygrometer (you don't have to have a refractometer), a reliable thermometer, and an ammonia test kit (tetra's $5 kit works fine, you will only need it for the start-up), a calcium test kit, and an alkalinity test kit. You can wait until later to pick up phosphate, nitrate, magnesium etc... kits.

An RO/DI system. This is not optional. THe only way you can get around this is if you purchase your purified water from a local fish shop, and that's going to get really tiresome really quickly (not to mention expensive).

Miscellaneous: 1/2 gallon plastic jugs that vinegar comes in, a few airline needle valves, some E8000 glue (not silicone, though you can use epoxy in a pinch), and some airline tubing. You'll use these supplies to make a drip jug for kalkwasser and reef buffer. Plastic 5 gallon buckets - Lowe's sells some nice food-grade ones that won't leach things back into the water for $3 each.
Extra submersible heater - you need this to warm your saltwater for a water change. Alternatively, you can use your microwave and some quart mason jars (heat the water in the jar, cap it, and set it into your saltwater to warm it to room temp).

That's about it for a basic, totally-manual reef that will grow coral and keep fish, other than the live rock, sand (if you use it) and critters/food. I grew enough coral in the mid-90's to have to give away a lot of it with just this basic set-up.

Enjoy, and welcome to the slippery slope.:)
 
Thanks I got a deal I'm working on for a running fowlr tank that's what he running but it gives me a 75 gallon tank, stand lights and a few fish I just need to up grade the lights , filter system and go from there. But I'm wondering if I should just get a 90 or a 120.
 
Thanks I got a deal I'm working on for a running fowlr tank that's what he running but it gives me a 75 gallon tank, stand lights and a few fish I just need to up grade the lights , filter system and go from there. But I'm wondering if I should just get a 90 or a 120.

That depends. No reef tank is ever big enough, but in a sense all of them except maybe for nanos are too big in terms of on-going expenses for power, salt, dosing chemicals, house HVAC requirements etc...

In the absense of other considerations, I'd decide based on the fish you want to keep. LiveAquaria has a guideline for minimum tank size for individual species.
 
I have a foxface that went from a 90 gallon to a 210. There was a world of difference in behavior. In the 90 it was ****ed off and hiding all the time. In the 210 it eats out of my hand. I would never keep a foxface in a 90 again.
 
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