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[vlangel]

I had that problem as well 12 fish, only 4 showed on/off spots, no way anyone is coming out.
So without choice, I did nothing, I changed nothing. And the infection ran its course.
Lost 2 clowns, a goby and a gramma, but 8 fish including 3 tangs survived to this day, 5 years later.
In the end, I just replaced the lost fish.

It’s not the right way, but sometimes, maybe the only way.

Good luck on whatever path you chose!

Yes, I too am going to let it run its course. I did treat with Prasipro but I guess that is for flukes, not ich so that probably wont help.
I've lost 3 and might not be done. Right now the Foxface is the worst but I am really hoping that he can pull through. He's eating so that is a good sign.

 

[ironwill723]

Hey Dawn...did you find a UV on Amazon?

 

[vlangel]

Hey Dawn...did you find a UV on Amazon?

I saw several and some in-tank versions. Those only advertised for algae control, not parasitic. If I remember correctly, when the flow is lower it kills algae and parasites but when the flow is higher, it only kills parasites, is that correct? If it is, then anything that is rated to kill algae should also work on ich in the free swim phase.
I saw that Coralife still make a turbo twist which I used years ago and they actually worked in spite of folks skepticism. That is probably the one that I would choose since I had a positive experience with it in the past. It could be mounted to the back of my stand and plumbed into the line of the canister. I would just turn it off when it wasn't needed. I guess the bulbs are still easily sourced.

 

[ironwill723]

Yes, Slower the better for flow thru. Biggest wattage your budget allows. Slower and stronger uv kills more parasites.

 

[vlangel]

Yes, Slower the better for flow thru. Biggest wattage your budget allows. Slower and stronger uv kills more parasites.

Thanks Craig, that's what I thought. That is potentially a problem with plumbing the Turbo twist inline with the canister. I bought the biggest BioMaster canister to intentionally get the most flow possible. I can slow it down some with putting the sponge media that came with it or shutting the intake valve some but I am sure that I don't want to strain the motor of the canister too much by restricting the flow excessively. The other option is to buy a cheap Rio pump (appropriately sized) to provide flow to the Turbo Twist and hang it off the back of the aquarium. I can remove it when the tank is under control but I would have it when new fish came into the tank. It wont be pretty but maybe this is my best option.
I hate to buy one of the cheap in-tank units.

 

[vlangel]

Yes, Slower the better for flow thru. Biggest wattage your budget allows. Slower and stronger uv kills more parasites.

Actually I just googled how much I can safely reduce the flow of my BioMaster and its safe up to 50%. Maximum flow is 400 gph so that can probably work. 190 gph is the best for parasitic control but can be as high as 225 gph. Plumbing the Turbo Twist is the cleanest and best option. I plan to buy the biggest which I think is 36 watts. Also the Turbo Twist can handle well over 1000 gph when just used for algae control so I can run the canister at full flow when not using the UV for parasitic control.
So its on order.

 

[vlangel]

Actually I just googled how much I can safely reduce the flow of my BioMaster and its safe up to 50%. Maximum flow is 400 gph so that can probably work. 190 gph is the best for parasitic control but can be as high as 225 gph. Plumbing the Turbo Twist is the cleanest and best option. I plan to buy the biggest which I think is 36 watts. Also the Turbo Twist can handle well over 1000 gph when just used for algae control so I can run the canister at full flow when not using the UV for parasitic control.
So its on order.

I haven't lost any more fish the past 2 days and they look a little better today. Of course I know that they are still fighting disease, but I am almost sure that it is ich. The plan is to cut back to 2 smaller portions of frozen food and to keep everything as stable as possible to lower stress. I even wondered about my weekly water change but I think that I will still do it but as quiet and uninvasive as possible. Amazon seems to be backed up because I have prior orders that were to be here earlier this week and they keep getting delayed so I am not sure when my UV will arrive. Anyway I can't do anything about that so we will take it day by day.

 

[vlangel]

I still haven't lost anymore fish but the ocellaris and the cardinal look pretty bad. The foxface and midas aren't out of the woods yet but they look better than they did. A friend in the hobby brought some medicine that I can soak the frozen food in; General Cure and Metroplex. He also had a polymer that helps bind the meds to the food. Finally he had cipro which he has used in his growout reefs. I will add the cipro at night and dose Seachem Stability in the morning since I know the cipro will effect my biofilter.

 

[vlangel]

This morning the clown and the cardinal were stuck to the powerhead. I have been expecting it but still its sad. Worse news is the Midas is not doing well. He hasn't been eating since I started medicating the food so I was worried about him.
On the positive side the rest of the fish are eating pretty well and don't seem to be showing symptoms. I am hoping I am at the tail end of this but one day at a time. Friday we leave for Nashville to see our newest grandbaby and maybe that is for the best. Being not so close to the situation might not be a bad thing. I got a mini web cam so I can see if the tank looks like everything is as it should be in a general sense. We come home Monday night so its not a real long trip either. So what will be will be.

 

[JohnL]

Enjoy your family time Dawn.

 

[griss]

Damn, so sorry Dawn

 

[ironwill723]

Sorry to hear Dawn. Unfortunately cipro will not help with marine cryptocaryon or marine velvet. It will help with secondary bacterial infections. Any word on the UV?

 

[Reefing102]

Dang sorry to hear about all the troubles.

 

[vlangel]

Enjoy your family time Dawn.

Thank you John. Its kind of bad time and yet maybe its a good thing to get a little distance between me and my tank right now?

Damn, so sorry Dawn

Thanks George, it was bad but I think it could have been worse.

Sorry to hear Dawn. Unfortunately cipro will not help with marine cryptocaryon or marine velvet. It will help with secondary bacterial infections. Any word on the UV?

Even that is something to help the fish have a better chance. I will medicate through tomorrow.

Dang sorry to hear about all the troubles.

Thanks Reefing 102

Thanks guys, I appreciate you all walking through this with me. Here is the latest update!

I see that my UV sterilizer shipped. I believe it should be here by Monday when we get home from Nashville. It will be good for future fish, (which I wont be getting any for a couple of months).

The fish that are left don't love eating the medicated food. They do eat some but not all of it. This morning I fed their first feeding without meds and they gobbled it down. Its a balancing act to make sure that they are being medicated but also adequately nourished. I plan to add meds to tonight's meal and I will repeat this plan tomorrow.

If I had to guess (fingers crossed) I am thinking that for the most part the disease has run its course. I don't see the Midas and he might be holed up somewhere dead or dying but everyone else looks pretty good. If that is the case its a bummer but I still have a cardinalfish, a Solon wrasse, a Foxface, a Hawkfish, a Bridled goby, a Masked goby, a ywg, a neon cleaner goby and a firefish goby. I also still have the aged percula, clownfish Perky in the 20g in the cabinet and will move him up to the display in a month or so. (That 20g can be an acclimation tank to observe new fish in the future where they have a more natural enviroment than an austere QT, but where they are not immediately put in the main population.) If we get back from Nashville and still have all of these guys I will feel pretty good that we are through it. So if it plays out this way; although it was bad it wasn't a complete crash and that is something to be thankful for.

Another cool thing is Dave bought me a mini web cam for my birthday. I set it up and can easily see if things appear to be operating normal with the aquarium: flowing feather dusters, water level, surface rippling, clarity of water and fish swimming. That will give me peace of mind when we travel.

 

[vlangel]

As expected the Midas passed . So it seems the only fish that exhibited sickness and survived was the foxface. The remaining fish that I have left never showed symptoms of sickness. Perhaps the meds helped it not to spread and most certainly helped the foxface.

So today I plan to do a big water change, clean the tank up and no medication until I come back from Nashville. Once I return I will look at the tank and decide what course of action to take from there.