A Living Room Reef: 90 Gallon Mixed Reef Build

Lol Troub...Throw out those expired kits...:p

The alk, cal levels etc are ok for now. When you're doing your next water change, do cal, alk, mg tests for the newly mixed water (if you haven't done this already) and of course, of the tank after a few hours, and then we'll take it from there.

Nice work on the ATO thus far :thumbsup:....Hopefully the float valve is consistent..Are you using a single float?

Orange ric getting pale? Perhaps try moving it to an area of lesser light if possible. The firefish in the DT yet?...Or are we going super careful and super slowwww :p...Kidding, since you've taken so much care already, may as well be perfectly sure :thumbsup:
 
Lol Troub...Throw out those expired kits...:p
- LOL - They're not in the trash yet, but I'm not using them anymore. :celeb1: YAY! :-)

The alk, cal levels etc are ok for now. When you're doing your next water change, do cal, alk, mg tests for the newly mixed water (if you haven't done this already) and of course, of the tank after a few hours, and then we'll take it from there.
- That's a good call. I have not tried testing a fresh batch of saltwater yet. That could give me a good basis for my test abilities and a good starting point. :confused: And I was thinking about it more. I guess a 10-20 gallon water change is a pretty small % of the overall system to see any big changes. Really, I should maybe try a 35 gallon change and see how that effects the system. Because that would be closer to a 20% change. And the tests have shown the levels slightly increase each water change.

Nice work on the ATO thus far :thumbsup:....Hopefully the float valve is consistent..Are you using a single float?
- Thanks for the thumbs up! It's getting there. I'll finish it up this weekend probably. I need to get a few minutes to run to the hardware store to get some plumbing parts to modify it going through the bulkhead.

- Let me see if I can explain it without pictures since I'm at work right now. I bought a single all pvc mini-float valve that will be gravity fed by the 20 gallon Brute garbage can. The float valve has to be drilled through a wall of the sump (or through a holder at least) to be installed. The 1/4 inch hose attaches into the back of the float valve. I was thinking of stopping all circulation pumps & taking a bucket or two of water out temporarily. Then drilling the valve into the sump, not through the exterior wall, but through the acrylic divider between the drain chamber and the center skimmer/heater section. That way the 1/4 inch line could run directly from the ATO barrel into the back of the float valve in the drain section, with the float extending into the center skimmer section. That acrylic divider has 2 big holes routed through it for water flow, so I thought "if I drill through here, and eventually change or remove the float valve for any reason, I don't have a hole in the exterior of the sump tank. Just a hole at/above the water line in an acrylic panel that is supposed to have a couple holes anyway."

Orange ric getting pale? Perhaps try moving it to an area of lesser light if possible. The firefish in the DT yet?...Or are we going super careful and super slowwww :p...Kidding, since you've taken so much care already, may as well be perfectly sure.
- Yeah, I'm not sure on the orange ric. It seemed just fine where it's been at so far for the last month or so. It was very recently after the snail-zilla run in when it got flipped that it started looking slightly pale around it's mouth. I snapped some updated pics last night I'll be posting here in a moment. So I'm not sure if it's a light issue or not. It does look (to me) like the orange ric is a Florida ric and I think the yellow/green might be a Yuma.?.? The yellow/green has bumps all the way up to the edge of it's mouth, while the orange smooths out as it gets close to the mouth. For now I've just been letting it be to see if there are changes after flipping it back upright.

- I also tried target feeding the rics and zoas last night for the first time. Nothing to special, I just used a turkey baster to spray some of the frozen plankton/mysis/blood worm mixture towards them. The zoas immediately closed up. I'm not sure if it's because the food hit them and they closed, or I ticked 'em off with a big jet of water. I need to work on my baster control :headwallblue: LOL. But they're looking fine and dandy this morning. The 2 Rics seemed to like it. I was a little more gentle with them after accidentally blasting the zoas. And of course the 2 cleaner shrimp immediately jumped on top of the shrooms and ignored all the food I had been feeding them floating around the tank. :facepalm: The Rics, the big yellow/green one kind of folded up to make ridges and the bumps were bending and moving around at least. the orange one just sat there. But it looked a little more full and open and less flat and sulky this morning.

- The Firefish in the display already. LOL :lol2: I wish! We are taking our sweet time. We are actually dropping the QT to hyposalinity right now. We're going to sit in hypo for 3 weeks and then bring it back up and hopefully get it in the DT 1st week of December. I can't say that I've seen any sings of potential problems. It's getting fatter by the day and staying active. But, we decided, if we don't "do it right" on the 1st fish... what's the point in any precautions on any fish after that. So this first QT is going to be about 6 or 7 total weeks in the end probably. But next time, when we ready with a plan, it should only take 4-5 weeks if it's looking healthy the whole time. It's driving me nuts though and I want it in the tank :strooper:


Neat setup you got going on there!
- Hey there madweazl! Thanks for stopping by and the complement on the set up. It's still a big work/installation in progress. But slowly and surely we're moving forward on it. It will be nice to have the ATO set up finally. That will take manually topping off by hand twice a day off my "to-do" list.

Now for a photo bomb :artist:
 
Re-testing Parameters... On the new UN-EXPIRED test kit!!! :bounce3:
90 - DT
Temp = 79
SG = 1.026
NH3 = 0
PH = 8
No2 = 0
No3 = 0

Ca = 320
Mg = 1300
dkH = 6.4

QT
SG = 1.024 - this will be getting a 50% water change tonight with new 1.009
PH = 8 (will be monitoring this a bit more often as I enter Hyposalinity)
NH3 = 0
No2 = 4-5 --- WHAT... YIKES!!!! No clue where that came from. It wasn't reading any before when tested at the store.?. I didn't have time for the water change this morning. Well, it'll have to wait until the hypo water change tonight. That will help.
No3 = 10-15 (the water change will help this too)

Now onto the fun stuff. Pictures!!!!

- FTS - (without the cheap yellow flourescents and only the low output T-5 and RB-LED strip light)
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- A close up of the top of the Archway tower on the right side. Starting to get more colors showing up on the rocks! -
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- Is that mostly corraline algae starting to grow and spread? I'm sure there are some nusiance algae in there. A dash of the rusty-dark red that comes and goes on it. But the purple is the same as what was on the live rock I seeded with. The bright neon green is interesting. That came from "no-where" and really is kind of neon. It glows slightly (or appears to) under the RB Led strip light at night.

- A couple cleaners hanging out to say hello -
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- They appear to be doing well. I've seen 2 molts since I put them in. It was really cool watching a bristle worm creep out from a rock and drag the entire molt back into it's hole.

- Here's an close-up of the Orange Ricordea - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's a Florida Ric. -
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- You can see it looks a little upset now compared to the first 2-4 weeks in the tank. It still spreads out. But just looks bleak and a little bleached/washed out. Plus the bumps are all relaxed rather then ruffled up and puffed out. I find it hard to believe it would be to much light since this one is about 3 or 4 inches lower then the yellow/green rock. Unless it's light shock from getting flipped by the snail and then turned back over? But it could be I suppose. What do I really know yet?.?.

- A close up of the Yellow/Green Ricordea rock - This has the big one, and then 2 little babies on the right side. This was the best pic I could get last night. -
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- Both babies have grown in diameter since adding them to our system. The big one is surprisingly really active. It will go from spread out flat. To folded wrinkles... then it usually cups and purses up when the lighting changes. Only to open back up about 20 minutes after any lights on/off. The medium baby follows the same cupping routine during lighting changes. Am I incorrect in thinking these are Yuma Ricordeas? You can kind of see the bumps running all the way up to the rim of it's mouth.

Hmmm. I'll have to take a shot of the Refugium tonight. I forgot to grab one this morning. It's got the biggest changes in color to the once dry base rock.

But that's where the tank is at for now... More to come later this weekend :bounce2: As always, let me know if you have any thoughts or ideas :beer:
 
How's the weekend coming along? :)

Had a brain fart when thinking about your ATO, got it now, easy enough, and less likely to fail, and energy efficient to boot :p...and definitely cheaper!

NO2 in the QT: Is the fish ok? Did you change any water? Get the Seachem Ammonia alert. As soon as ammonia is being produced at levels, change water...else you will have a cycle as you possibly have now. I did purchase the same alert but haven't QT'd since, so can't give the exact experience, but I believe a lot of people do it that way. The primary reason I don't qt, is because I'm afraid of the QT cycling, and I believe this method will catch it early, hence....

The orange ric, doesn't look very hot....Can't say exactly whats wrong either. Not sure if florida or yuma also. I'd guess and give it lower light, hopefully you find better info online. The green one is yuma, pretty certain about that.

Check the newly mixed saltwater levels, that should give a clue :thumbsup:. And if you're gonna be checking and controlling alk, cal already, may as well, drop in a cheap montipora digitata frag in there :p

Doesn't seem to be any problematic algae. Can't discern what algae is present though, with the pic.
 
How's the weekend coming along? :)

I just woke up :wave: So my weekend is just getting started. Time to get some things done :bounce1:

NO2 in the QT: Is the fish ok? Did you change any water? Get the Seachem Ammonia alert. As soon as ammonia is being produced at levels, change water...else you will have a cycle as you possibly have now. I did purchase the same alert but haven't QT'd since, so can't give the exact experience, but I believe a lot of people do it that way. The primary reason I don't qt, is because I'm afraid of the QT cycling, and I believe this method will catch it early, hence....

The firefish appears to be ok. I'm sure it was less then thrilled about the situation. But we did a 3-4 gallon water change on it right when I got home from work. So I'm sure that helped quite a bit. And it ate a lot of food when we fed right before the water change. Then, when I got up today. I continued to drop the salinity. So I've taken 1 more gallon of saltwater out and am keeping it in a bucket. We are at 1.015 right now. I've been taking about 3/4's a gallon out, dripping in fresh R/O to replace. Then testing and letting it sit for 20-30. Then repeat it by bucketing some more salt water to drip fresh.

I've got some fresh saltwater (sg = 1.009) that's been mixed for a day in a barrel in the garage. So once I get the salinity to the target level for a few hours, I'll re-check the ph/nh3/no2/no3. That way, if the filter falls behind, we can do a few small water changes as needed.

The orange ric, doesn't look very hot....Can't say exactly whats wrong either. Not sure if florida or yuma also. I'd guess and give it lower light, hopefully you find better info online. The green one is yuma, pretty certain about that.

Yeah. I'm a little concerned about the orange ric. I will say though. After trying to target feed it with the turkey baster the other day, I think it is actually looking slightly happier. It still has the same pale color, but doesn't look like it's gotten worse. But it looks less "deflated." All of the bumpy tentacles are extended back out now and it's disk isn't just limp and flat. When I first noticed it looking sad, they were all just lying over and looked flat.

Check the newly mixed saltwater levels, that should give a clue :thumbsup:. And if you're gonna be checking and controlling alk, cal already, may as well, drop in a cheap montipora digitata frag in there :p

Doesn't seem to be any problematic algae. Can't discern what algae is present though, with the pic.

Yup, next big water change I'll be testing Ca/Alk/Mg before it goes in the tank.

Just throw in a cheap Monit! LOL. I would love to! I'm getting close to that, but I won't really be looking to control the levels as much until I finish getting the lights on the tank. I'll get the ATO barrel online this weekend. For now, I'm trying to get a handle on all the testing and levels and just keep them close to appropriate. So I'm getting close to controlling those levels. But not quite there yet.

I don't think we're going to be adding any new corals in until the lighting is done. We may pick up a second zoa frag for the rock that we placed the previous one on. But these lights are crap and I'm not going to add anything that might need better lighting until we're ready. Fish, however, we can continue to bring in and add :-) I'm just hoping we can get this one through QT and move onto the next. It will be so awesome to finally have a fish up in the DT!

Time for some pictures . . .
 
Here are a few photo updates...

- Here's the purple firefish in QT -
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- the color is a little off from my camera phone, but a good shot of it -
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- Slowly dropping the SG of the QT down to 1.009. It will end up taking us about 56 hours this time to get it down from 1.024 -
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- Orange Ric update. The color is bad in the pic to begin with. But it looks a little more extended today. Still pale though -
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- Refugium updates -
- Top down, right side -
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- Right side -
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-Left side -
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- Close up, left side rocks -
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- Close up, left side rocks. Some type of slime algae starting? -
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- Cheato close up. Are all those white specks Pods? -
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- Down the front of the fuge -
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- Down the back of the fuge -
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Now I'm off to get about the weekend. See you all later :wave:
 
So, I didn't get a bunch of HUGE advancements done this weekend. But some things were definitely accomplished.

First and foremost was getting our Purple Firefish down to Hyposalinity (1.009 sg). We did see a bit of a re-cycle during the transition down to hypo. So I was glad we had pre-made some 1.009 saltwater that we were able to use as a water change later in the weekend after we got it stable at the correct levels. I am planning on re-checking the PH/NH3/No2/No3 tonight. I am guessing we will need 1 more water change still after dropping to hypo.

The little purple dude (or dudette) was surviving as of this morning. I was a little worried about it on Sunday. But after the lights were on for awhile and we did the water change, it was back to being happy and swimming around. Oddly enough before hypo, we hadn't been able to observe any signs of it being sick. But once we were at hypo for 24 hours, we did notice some things that didn't look "right." So I think we're glad we're attempt the treatment now, even if it means it will take longer to get into the DT now :( I'll try to take some decent photos of what I'm saying didn't look "right." But I can't guarantee my phone camera will be able to catch it.

Another thing we did this weekend was to try relocating the Ricordea Mushrooms. Since the Orange Ric wasn't looking so good, we decided to try placing it in a MUCH more shaded area for the time to see how it responds. It is now on the far left hand side of the tank and is located about 1/4 or so of the way up the tower, on the outside edge of the tank under an overhang. It is still viewable from the front left corner, but sitting in our recliner, you can get a great up close view through the side of the tank.
- A close up through the left side panel of the tank -
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- Let's hope the lower light and a bit of target feeding might help it start to bounce back!

- Still through the left side tank glass, pulled back a bit to see the shrooms new placement. And my shrimp REALLY wanted to know what I'm up to over here... -
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- I kind of screwed up this pic. It's tough to see the Orange Rics placement because the shadows are so dark. But it's sitting in the shadow between the 1st and 2nd overhang. About 1/3rd of the way up the photo -
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- Another photo that is not one of my best. But we relocated the Yellow/Green Ric as well. We moved it down about 3 or 4 inches from a ledge perch to the bottom/front of the rocks in front of the overflow. A few inches above the current drifted sandbed line in the center of this pic -
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- I was worried we would want to place a different type of plating or branching coral where we had originally placed the Yellow/Green Ric. So I'm hoping it likes the location down low and front center. Maybe in time I can have a few different Rics beneath some grown out corals off the top!

Other than that, I ran out and grabbed a few plumbing pieces to work on the ATO barrel. I was able to get that all attached and filled about 1/2 full. Only to find that there is a small leak around the threaded pvc fitting screwed into the bulkhead. It looks like I'll need to drain the barrel and add a little more pvc plumbing tape to stop any water seeping between the threads. I must not have waited long enough with my 1/4 barrel full leak test for it to seep through.

Now I need to determine where to put this float valve into the sump for the ATO. Here's a situation those with more experience might be able to chime in on... I only want to drilly my sump once, and I want to do it in the right spot the first time. 1.) what level of water in my sump 2.) Where to put the float valve.

Here is a photo I grabbed off the internet of my sump for reference: Ecosystem Pro 3612:
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I'm running my heaters and protein skimmer currently in the center section of this sump. I'm also drawing water from the center section with a Fluval 305 canister filter and pumping it up to my remote 75 gallon refugium.

The 1st section is open as a drain chamber. The protein skimmer can fit in the drain chamber, BARELY. If I want to run it in there.

I need to maintain a 9.5 inch to 11 inch water level in order for the Bubble Magus Nac6 to do it's thing properly. In order to run the water that deep for proper skimmer function, the sump water level needs to be raised up about 2-3 inches above the 1st baffle overflow that leads into the return section.

This level is where I've been running my system since starting it. And there is more then enough room to handle the flow back during a simulated power outage.

I know that typically the float switch/valve is in the return chamber, and I understand why. But in my application running the level high enough for the skimmer, I've notice that my water level is the same across all 3 chambers of my sump when everything is running. As water evaporates it lowers over all 3 sections of the sump until it begins to cascade and flow/drop over the baffle into the return section. Then the level acts as everyone would expect. The return chambers lowers until it is empty.

I was thinking of mounting my float valve through the acrylic divider between sections 1 and 2 of the sump at the correct height. This would allow me to mount the valve without drilling through the exterior of the sump, at the correct height, and have an easy/direct approach to run my 1/4 inch tubing from the ATO container to the back of the float valve.

- Is there any reason why filling my sump to this level (2 or 3 inches above the 1st bubble trap baffle to return chamber) would be a bad thing or cause problems?
- Any reason that putting my float valve in the center section instead of the return chamber would be an issue?
- If I eventually try to run kalk in my ato, do I want drip post skimming? Or is the skimmer any issue or concern when dripping kalk (if I do). For now it will be straight Ro/Di until I feel the need to supplement Alk and Ca. But I'm trying to plan best for the future.

- And let me know if I missed something else or there are any better ideas out there. I would really love to get this leak stopped and the ATO barrel plumbed into the system. At this point, I really just need to figure out the float valve placement and I should be good to go. Fixing the leak will be easy once I drain the barrel for a few minutes. :thumbsup:
 
Troub :lol:, you've been busy...

First things first, that does look like cyano/slime algae in the fuge. Are you running GFO yet?

Ok, I'm trying really hard to figure out what's going on with the ATO and the 200 hundred baffles...That's why I only use 1 partition MAX.

I find it very strange that all 3 sections have the same water heights. From the design, I'd expect the first and second to have the same, but not the third. Is there a leak in the partition for the 2nd section? I'd try and fix that aspect first. Also, I have run for about 2 years now, a sump with NO partitions whatsoever, i.e. water level to the skimmer only dictated by ATO. So that's possible. Downside? I honestly don't remember... Don't know anything about kalk too, so no help there.

Basically, if the ATO is precise enough, you could throw out all the baffles, and still have the skimmer function correctly. Correct me, if I've misunderstood anything :)

The ric doesn't look too hot, but hopefully it'll recover with the new location, but I have to admit, I no expert on rics :(
 
Troub :lol:, you've been busy...
- LOL - I've been trying to stay busy on it all. I feel like I'm kind of stalled right now though. Even though I have gotten stuff accomplished. It's just everything I've been working on is 1/4-1/2 way finished. :headwally: But, "keep on trucking" and I'll get there eventually!

First things first, that does look like cyano/slime algae in the fuge. Are you running GFO yet?
- Nope, I'm not running any new stuff on the system yet. Still just skimming (pretty much nothing, occasionally some tea colored water). No carbon or gfo in the fluval 305 that is lifting water up to the fuge yet. I'm guessing it might be time to try adding that in? I also have my UV sterilizer that is plumbed into the return line that I could start up now that the electrical is done in the closet. Is this a somewhat normal occurrence for a new system? Is it Phosphate and Nitrates that are fueling it? Time to :reading: some more.

It seems like I've got heavy diatoms that come and go depending on the flow in the tank. I've been dabbling with the flow some... And now I'm getting that deep purple/red colored algae that is starting to come in. I'm guessing that is the cyano/slime algae? Anything I should know here? Just feed my shrimp/mushrooms/zoas less, a big water change, and add in some gfo to the canister?

Ok, I'm trying really hard to figure out what's going on with the ATO and the 200 hundred baffles...That's why I only use 1 partition MAX.

I find it very strange that all 3 sections have the same water heights. From the design, I'd expect the first and second to have the same, but not the third. Is there a leak in the partition for the 2nd section? I'd try and fix that aspect first. Also, I have run for about 2 years now, a sump with NO partitions whatsoever, i.e. water level to the skimmer only dictated by ATO. So that's possible. Downside? I honestly don't remember... Don't know anything about kalk too, so no help there.

Basically, if the ATO is precise enough, you could throw out all the baffles, and still have the skimmer function correctly. Correct me, if I've misunderstood anything.
- Well, I don't think you've misunderstood anything. There is no leak in the chambers of the sump. For one, it is a brand new sump never used before this set up. I also fresh water tested and all chambers hold correctly. So no issue there.

- There are 2 reasons I can think of to help explain how/why I'm getting the same water height across all 3 chambers. And *NOTE* - the height is only the same UNTIL enough water evaporates. Then it acts as you would suspect. Drain and center chamber stay same height and return chamber begins to lower. So it is "working correctly." I think I'm just not "using it as the design originally intended."
1.) I am filling the water level of the sump up higher then the baffle between the center and return chambers. So in the previous pic of the empty sump I put up for reference. Water drains into the sock section, then does not flow over the first divider, but through the 2 holes that are cut out. Then you get to the bubble trap where the water flows over, then under into the return chamber. In order for my skimmer to be in the correct height of water, I keep my level about 3 inches above the top of this first baffle.
2.) In my center section, along with my skimmer and heaters, I have the FEED for the Fluval 305 that is drawing about 250 gph out of the center section up into the Refugium. Then remember, my refugium drains back down into the bulkhead hole in the return chamber where I have my submersible pump. Maybe I should be drawing my water up to the fuge from the return chamber instead of the middle section?
- So I suspect that those 2 things together are keeping a "uniform" water height across the sump until enough water evaporates that the return section is lower then the 1st two chambers. At which point my skimmer becomes a super expensive air stone because the water level is about 4 inches to low. Does that help or make sense?

- So my thought was (in the current design) that I could drill my ATO Float Valve through the interior acrylic between the drain chamber and center section with the float extended into the center section. So it would kind of act like your 1 baffle or "all in one container" sump as far as the ATO is concerned. That would maintain enough water volume for the skimmer to operate correctly then. It's a little tough for me to figure out with my limited plumbing/sump/reef tank experience. Maybe I'll grab a video of my sump tonight if that will help. This sump was originally designed to run skimmerless with a drain section, center section being a fuge, and then return chamber. Since I decided to drill and use the extra 75 gallon tank to make into the fuge, I'm modifying it's intended design a little and figuring it out with a bit of brute force trial and error I guess.

The ric doesn't look too hot, but hopefully it'll recover with the new location, but I have to admit, I no expert on rics :(
- Yeah... I've been taking a picture of it every day so I can compare any changes. Fingers crossed it likes the new spot. But it does not seem happy at all. The yellow/green ones seem to be happy though! Maybe one type (yuma - if that's what the yellow/green is) likes my tank currently, and the orange (I think this is a different type of Ric then the yellow/green) doesn't like the current set up. I find lots of info saying Florida Ricordea tend to like more light then Yuma. But I don't know. I'm going to see how it does in the new spot with lots less light. Maybe it'll slowly turn around... I guess we will see. . .

I was writing this on and off on breaks all day while I worked. So I hope it wasn't to many broken thoughts all thrown at you in a haphazard way and you were able to make some sense of my ramblings. I suppose I could just drill the ATO valve and try it. If it doesn't work as expected, I haven't really ruined the integrity of the sump by drilling through that 1st acrylic divider. Hmmmmm... I wonder. . . :D :beer:
 
That red slimy crap looks like cyano...bacteria thats capable of fixing atmospheric nitrogen, so while you may not have any NO3, if PO4 is present, you could have cyano..Btw, I hate cyano....so siphon off what you can, and consider adding a little gfo. Read up some more on it too, this is just a gist. Diatoms are fine, not really a problem. Worst algae to have IMO, is dino's and then cyano...

Btw, to confirm its cyano, try basting it, blows off easy..then cyano :)

Ok, you could draw the fuge feed from the return area, and supply it back there or to the drain. Try out both and see. Work this out first, before you drill for the ATO. How tall is the sump btw?

Have been keeping rather unwell for the last couple weeks, me, my wife and worse, my son....all had the flu with some extra crap thrown with it, so a bit down and away from RC, but will be here to help :)
 
I'll definitely give that stuff a blast with the baster this weekend to see if it's probably cyano. Thanks for the tip! :thumbsup: I'm guessing it is. Kind of slimy looking with strings that produce bubbles. And it kind of flows and pulls apart in the gentle current in the DT. The little one or 2 patches that are in there. It's mostly in the Fuge. I'm guessing lack of flow is a problem in there.

Hmm... What would be a good powerhead to stick in there? Maybe one I could use against the laminate flow of the fuge and also remove it easily to maybe pump in saltwater from the mixing barrel during water changes?

I'll be looking into GFO and Carbon here soon. I want to pick up a bulk order of carbon at some point since it will be a mixed reef. So maybe I can order them at the same time. Is it good to completely strip the water using GFO for a mixed reef tank? Do you think it's just growing and breaking in pains with the cyano right now? "Just part of the cycle and establishing a tanks" so to speak? Once the cheato grows proportionate to the system, will that lessen the need for GFO possibly in the future?

:uzi: Lots of rapid fire questions there. Feel free to skip them if they're repetitive. I guess I was brainstorming more of the questions I need to :reading: up on :fun4:

I'll try swapping the placement of where I draw the water from for the fuge. This weekend I'll try drawing it from the return section of the sump and see how it goes. I'm planning on keeping it draining from the fuge back into the return section. That is working well other then my micro bubble issue :strooper: I'm getting lots of salt spray from the air in the drain line. But I think I've come up with a good possible solution.

The fuge drains into the return chamber through the bulkhead at the bottom end of the sump. I can fit a 3/4 inch piece of pvc pipe into the bulkhead. So I was thinking to solve my bubble spray issue...
> Draw from Return Chamber > Fuge > Drain to Bulkhead > short 3/4 pipe > 90 degree bend UP > "T" fitting at water level with short pipe out top (to vent air bubbles from drain) > 90 degree bend out of "T" back down into water

I'm hoping I can give that design a try this weekend and see if it solves one of my 2 spray issues in the sump. I'm guessing it will. As long as it doesn't screw up how the drain works somehow. This way, all of the bubbles would rise inside the pipe and vent through the "T," not spreading across the water surface.

I also posted this thread up for some ID help... A couple pictures and a video of things showing up in my system.
- http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2350052 -

Bello, I'm sorry you and the family haven't been feeling to hot. I really appreciate you fighting off the sickness to come in here and help me out! :beer: Here's hoping you all pull through soon and the little one is back running you ragged again! :thumbsup:
 
Cyano: Yeah that looks like cyano, the red bubbly crap!!...Ideally, I'd think the BEST thing you could do now, is siphon it out every week, at least...and see if it spreads. I have some cyano in my DT's right now, and that's what I do. If it does get up to plague proportions, well then, we'll have to take more direct action. I'm a big fan of picking up the smaller TUNZE pumps 6015, 6025, and just placing 'em whenever its needed like extra flow, mixing bucket etc.

I remember 4 extended experiences with cyano. Nos 1 and 4, plague levels, were taken out with red slime remover. No 2, again at plague level, was done with lowering nutrients in DT via massive carbon dosing (zeovit), to proper ULNS, no traceable no3 or po4, and not a hint of algae anywhere, this is very harsh. No 3 episode was like what you and I have now, not a lot of cyano yet, this went off, when the chaeto in the fuge kicked in :)...so siphon it out for now...may as well acquire some of that gfo and carbon too. But check your po4 levels first. What kit are you using again?

Ideally, I'd get a couple fish in qt now, and dump in display soon...lets get some more biological activity going :)

Looks like you get some nice hitch hikers too :). Good luck with the anti spray test :thumbsup:

We're doing better now, finally :)
 
Bello: It's good to hear everyone is feeling on the up and up now! :bounce3:

Thanks for the pump thoughts. I've got to start getting some ideas of useful things to start rounding out the system. An "extra flow" pump for the fuge that is powerful enough to pump mixing water over the rim of the 35 gallon brute barrel would be an all around useful and time saving tool ;) And that's a somewhat small addition. Nothing we need to break the bank on.

All good info on the cyano I'm seeing. It's good to know I'm approaching it and thinking about it from a good point of view. I'm mostly winging it and learning as I get my hands wet now. Books and :reading: can only get you so far before you just need to see things happen. I'm going to take the slow approach you recommended for now. But when do I ever get anything done quickly, right? :facepalm:

For now, I'll try siphoning some out during the next water change. That will be this weekend or next weekend for the big system. And I'm planning to go a little bigger this time. Probably a 25-30 gallon change instead of the 10-15 we've done previously. Get that % of the total volume up a little. And I'm looking forward to testing Ca, Mg, and Alk on the fresh mixed barrel before checking the system. Also, I'm going to try and reduce any food going into the DT. I'm thinking the snails and everyone have plenty to munch on. A super small feeding in for the shrimp every so often will be plenty for now. So cutting back on the input of nutrients might help as well.

- - Here's where I shamefully hang my head and admit that I currently have no test for Po4. :sad1: But hey, I don't have expired NH3, No2, No3, PH kits anymore :bounce2: LOL - I'm going to be looking into Po4 testing soon as I know it's needed. Any testing kit recommendations?

I'm planning to get some fish life into the system as soon as I can. (following our new QT plan). Unfortunately we weren't on top of the QT process when we first brought the Purple Firefish home. It looks like we'll be able to move the Firefish over into the DT around 12/10 or so. I should finish the hypo treatment around the beginning of December and then just need the week or so to raise the SG up to match the DT. This first QT round is DRASTICALLY trying my patients. LOL

Picture Time!
 
- Scrubbed the glass and stirred the sand bed a little - FTS Update -
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- I have no name yet, but I LOVE having my picture taken! -
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- All spread out catching some rays -
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- After stirring the sand bed... I think they were liked it. -
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- Maybe this looks familiar to someone... Here's the DT drain line bubble spray test solution. Looking good so far! I'd like to make this a deep dish of rock rubble. But this will definitely help for the time. -
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- Here's a video of the drain line bubble spay stopper in action. The drain gurgles from the air in the line kind of loudly. We're super glad this is in the closet. But is there any simple solution to silencing this some? -
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Well, I'm off to the rest of my weekend now...
 
Hope you had a good weekend...and didn't waste the entire time bloody BBQ'ing!!!... I miss eating good steak :( sigh

The drain bubble stopper looks a lot like the nonsense I do :p, it does work though :thumbsup:...Instead of the rock/gravel, you could also use cheapo chinese filter pads, cut to size, and throw 'em out weekly....as a form of mechanical filtration :)

Ah, the po4 test kit....Both biggles and myself, use the Hanna Checkers, reasonably priced and accurate enough IMO. Get the phosphorus one though (P), rather than the phosphate one (PO4)...its more accurate

Any progress on the lights? Come on man, get busy :p. The green ric looks healthy enough. I'd suggest getting the PO4 tester asap, as its one of the REEF ESSENTIALS IMO :). Dilly dally all you want on the others :p

I don't think you NEED to do larger water changes, as such, just siphon whatever cyano you can...and I'd think that by this time, I'd have thrown in a dozen fish already :p. You do realize that you can QT more than one fish at a time, right? :lol:. See this is what happens when my health improves, I become an a$$ :p

BTW, you HAVE to name your shrimp.....just cause, lol
 
Hope you had a good weekend...and didn't waste the entire time bloody BBQ'ing!!!... I miss eating good steak :( sigh
- Well, we did BBQ a tri-tip steak last night. YUM :spin1: But that didn't stop me for fiddling with the tank some!

The drain bubble stopper looks a lot like the nonsense I do :p, it does work though :thumbsup:...Instead of the rock/gravel, you could also use cheapo chinese filter pads, cut to size, and throw 'em out weekly....as a form of mechanical filtration :)
- I thought that would look familiar to you. It definitely works for now. I would say it's about an 85% improvement from not having anything there. I'm expecting to keep the crushed rock pieces there for the most part. I think I'll only run a filter sock when doing big cleaning sessions just to grab excess gunk I stir up. But most of the time I think I'm going to go for something like this. Just some rubble rock in a tower or tray. Eventually, once I get my ATO valve set up and finalize where my water level is going to be, I might build something a little bigger. But this works for now and REALLY improves the bubble situation.

Ah, the po4 test kit....Both biggles and myself, use the Hanna Checkers, reasonably priced and accurate enough IMO. Get the phosphorus one though (P), rather than the phosphate one (PO4)...its more accurate
- Extremely good tip to note on the Phosphorus checker over the Phosphate checker. Good to know. I was looking into the Hanna checker for Phosphates. I was guessing that it was one of the more important tests from what I've been reading. My thought was to spend $$ on good Po4, Ca, Mg, and Alk tests. Then have tests that are capable enough to monitor swings and changes in PH, No2, No3, NH3.

I don't think you NEED to do larger water changes, as such, just siphon whatever cyano you can...and I'd think that by this time, I'd have thrown in a dozen fish already :p. You do realize that you can QT more than one fish at a time, right? :lol:. See this is what happens when my health improves, I become an a$$ :p

BTW, you HAVE to name your shrimp.....just cause, lol
- HA!!! Yes, I do realize I can QT more then 1 fish at a time. As long as there's enough space. I only have a 10 gallon QT. But it was our first go-round with it. So I went with just 1 to start with until I get the "routine" down. Unfortunately we didn't have a routine yet when we bought the Firefish. So we kind of delayed ourselves by not starting treatment right away. And now we have the treatment protocols in place, so we can't introduce a new fish into QT until after it's done. Otherwise it will just set up back again. So I'm getting this 1 Firefish in the tank. Then I can look at maybe a 2 for one.

The main reason I'm looking for a water change is because I want to test the legitimacy of my Ca, Mg, and Alk testing abilities. For the most part, everything is really happy except for that one orange ric. It's still shrunk down to a button in it's little shadow spot. Still hoping it decides to turn around. But the 3 yellow/green rics are seem happy in their spot.

Same with the Zoanthid colony we added on that back rock. I worry because the Zoas are REALLY stretching out for light. But this weekend when I was inspecting it a little closer, I found a new little baby head starting out near the base. So it must be happy enough if it's sprouting a new polyp. :bounce1:

And there wasn't any steps forward made on the lighting system. It REALLY needs to get done. Next time if I ever build my own LED. I'll probably spring for solderless chips. I'd be done wiring it by now if I didn't have to solder every piece. Coming soon . . .

Other than that, this next post will have the rest of what I was up to this weekend.
 
- Some testing before running out the LFS for the afternoon -
90 - DT
Temp = 78
SG = 1.026
NH3 = 0
PH = 8
No2 = 0
No3 = 0

Ca = 320
Mg = 1200
dkH = 7.1
- I tried to be better at testing here. I feel these are a little more accurate then previously. I think I had been stopping to early. The color kind of changes back if you let it sit for a minute or so. Is that "normal?" I'm guessing you keep titrating until it HOLDS the end color, right? Man, I need to find someone to test these 3 for me and "verify" what I'm seeing. Testing the freshly made salt water bucket next time might help I guess. It's frustrating not knowing whether my levels are off, or if I just suck at using the Red Sea kit. LOL


QT - I did about a 2 gallon water change (SG = 1.009)
SG = 1.009
PH = 7.6 ( We're going to watch this. What is the "lowest" level that is safe for fish only?) I may need to use some baking soda to buffer this up a little next time I top off.
NH3 = 0
No2 = 0
No3 = 0-10

Bring on the photo bomb!

- Some Banded Trochus Snails Acclimating - We're starting to see different types of algae building up other then just film algae on the glass. So, time to add in a few more "heavy hitting" algae munchers. -
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- I picked up 10 in all... 5 for the DT and 5 for the Refugium -

- A couple Trochus after being set free in their new home -
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- I decided to swap out some of the temp lights. The fuge is getting hit pretty good with algae right now. So I grabbed 1 of the 2 (18w) power compacts and moved it out to the DT. Now I have 1 cheap-o yellowish flourescent light on one end of the fuge, and 1 PC over the Cheato. In this pic... 1-48 inch T-5, 1-36 inch RB-LED, (left side = old Yellow Florescent, right side = PC) -
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- We added a few of these sand bed critters to help stir and maintain our sand beds. 2 went to their new home in the DSB fuge and 1 into the DT. - Tonga Fighting Conch -
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- All 3 are about 1-1.5 inches long currently. The one I put in the DT (in this pic) was really active crawling around. The Nassarius snails seemed VERY interested in the new Conchs. They were chasing it and climbing all over it for the first 1/2 hour. Then they all went their own way. The 2 in the Fuge disappeared... I saw the spots they burrowed into the sand bed. I wonder if/when I'll ever see them again. LOL. These should really help to keep my sand beds clean and turned over. And especially help the DSB in the fuge to stay in proper functioning order.

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- Turkey Basting/Blasting the new Zoanthids in a Revive Dip for 20 minutes. I had them saw down the stupid plug so it's only a really thin top disk this time -
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- The Mrs. is happy again, for now. Except she thinks/feels like she bought the same color as her previous frag. I think they'll look different under the good lighting. But we will have to wait and see. My excuse was... "You picked it out." LOL.

What we REALLY need to remember to do is to take pictures at the LFS of frags we buy. At least for now until I get these lights up. Because my current temp. cheap-o set up does not do any of it justice.

- After the new Zoas got their bath and rinse, time to Super Glue Gel the disk to some rock. (Eventually I'd like to pick up a dremel so I can cut down the disk further). -
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- Then new Zoanthids glued onto their island rock back through the archway -
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- Punching in a little closer -
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- I hope this Trochus makes it! It hasn't moved since I placed it in there last night. But no animals have crawled over it yet, so there's still hope it's just being shy. - Hey YOU! Get to work cleaning my algae!!! -
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- This one is for Biggles... After fussing in the tank for 2 hours... "What are you doing to our home!!!" -
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- And we desperately need to give these 2 a name. So far, the wife has decided to call them her 2 Astronauts. Because they swim and float around all over hanging upside down and more like they're floating in space.

That be all for now. Lunch is over and back to work for me. But even though the lights didn't move forward, we still did some fun stuff!
 
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