Advanced Propagation (PICS)

djscribz

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This is a continuation of Off with their heads! thread.

Basically I tested something I read on this forum about chopping the heads off zoanthids to manually produce more polyps.

I initially tested this on a adult AOG Palythoa that was sharing a plug with another adult.

This is the result of the first attempt (The cut was made close to the base of the polyp)

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This is the remaining base. Its the frag plug below the strainer.

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As you can see there is a nub where there is obviously color come out of it.

Night after night I checked to see how it was doing and everynight, the cut polyp, closes right when the lights go out showing me it still has a response and life.

I decided to try again with smaller polyps and a higher cut.

There are 2 polyps on this plug right next to each other. At first I thought they were gone, but they show the same light change response and have opened up more since I cut them (5 days ago).

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This is the base of the two polyps I cut.

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As you can see there is definately new growth where I cut.

So here is my step by step process...

I take the plug out of the tank with the desired polyp.

I take stainless steel scissors and snip anywhere below the head of the polyp (I conclude cutting higher to the head will produce more favorable results).

I place IC Gel glue on the plug and dip it 3-4 times so it starts to cure.

I gently dab the plug on the underside of the cut polyp to create a bond.

I place the plug back into the frag rack.

I dose 10mL (Capful of Iodine whatever mL that is) into the sump to help stop any infection that may occur.

I sit back and enjoy.


Disclaimer: I am by no means a professional. I saw a thread here asking someone to try it, so I did. I encourage you all to try it hopefully with similar results. I would also like all donations of PPE to be sent to my address (PM ME). If you do try this and lose a precious polyp, Im sorry. From what I can gather, this method would be particularly useful for slow growing polyps to multiply faster so that the community can expand overall.
 
oh and for picture quality, its a Nikon S6 and all pics taken with flash, so sorry for the quality and lack of color.
 
nice work, I am interested in outcome/results. Just wish I could see the pics a little better. Good Job, Scott


got zoanthids?
 
ill take pictures every 3 days or so to show you guys the progress. but i would really like you guys to try on a PD or PPE to see if results are replicated. And maybe trade me one hahaha
 
i feel like this method will work best for morphs that have long enough stalks that can be manipulated. Mucho im waiting for you to try.
 
I posted about this topic earlier. This is a commonly used technique by GARF to propagate their paly's. Good job DJ on taking it to the next level. Keep us posted!
 
Def interested in this. I have recently cut a frag of ppe's apart through the membrane to try and encourage growth and it is working great! I cut 3 polyps a part a few weeks ago and all the single polyps are fixing to sprout 2-3 polyps each now.

Anyway, if propping can be done the way you are doing it, it would be allot easier and less evasive. I applaud your effort.

thanks.
 
consider this as food for thought, on average normally you can get 2-4 new polyps per month from each colony you have.

If you snip the heads off each polyp, thats X polyps per month of growth.

So a 20 head colony of PPE can easily be snipped into a 40 head colony with high success rate.

kiran, i remember you posted something about it and i promised i would try it :)

I checked GARFS site and couldnt find the info, so i decided to just bite the bullet and test it.

Rev, I tried the cutting between the membrane method and experienced undesirable growth. Some polyps would grow at awkward angles making it quite a task to frag.
 
Here the info from GARF:

"We now practice a continual harvest of Protopallythoa by cutting the tops of the polyps off with a sharp pair of stainless steel scissors. We have colonies of many different colors of Protopallythoa that are managed with the continuous harvests. It is very interesting to note that some Protopallythoa grown much larger polyps from the top of a cut off stock. We have observed many times that the remaining stock heals within one week and then starts to grow a polyp. The polyps that were removed into the battles are placed in the gravel chambers. After about one week, the damage polyps attach to gravel, so we can remove the gravel and glue it to the combination rocks."

"We have also experimented with sewing the individual polyps with a sharp needle and cotton thread. We used the needle to put the thread through the small part of the stock. After we have threaded four or five onto a piece of thread we then wrap the thread around the rock securing the Zoanthids in an upright position.

This method of continually harvesting the polyps allows the other polyps to feed the colony while the cut polyps regrow. After we have harvested one half of the polyps, we allow the colony to heal for one month. We have a colony of bright red Protopallythoa and several times a year we can harvest five nice polyps each day for several weeks. "
 
this method works for and against most hobbyist. it gives rare polyps more availibility but also kills the market, lets hope as hobbyist we dont care more about the money.
 
well sounds great, but there is always the risk if progagation failure...

the head you snipped off doesn't make it, or the bottom part somehow gettin infected and dying.
i'd be pretty upset if i fragged my only PPE and somehow both pieces end up dying..=(.

but great new propagation method, though.
 
I don't think I would try it if you only have one polyp of something. Very interesting. I remember seeing a thread about this. I may give it a shot.

Now if only someone would try this with Envy Orange to help lower the cost.:) I know who in there right mind would cut up a $300-$600 polyp.
 
but bngowe , that PPE will be 2-4 polyps in a few months and you will get "CURIOUS". I must say the 2 polyps of chromis you sent me are now 4 and I am mighty curious to try it, LOL
Still on the "just curious" side though
Scott

got zoanthids?
 
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