Advice appreciated

[nothingfishy]

I have likely close to 20 hours of reading in the last 4 days, and I still can not come to a balanced conclusion.

I have a 155 fowlr that I restarted at the end
Of July. I now have about 8 fish, and all the numbers look great. (0 amm, 0 nitrite, 40 nitrate, ) havn't had ammonia since august.

Currently have a medium asfur, med achilles, fox face, durgeon trigger, Guinean fowl puffer , green bird wrasse and niger trigger.

About 6 weeks ago my asfur had white speckles, so even after a 6 week qt, still got ich. (No other fish were added after him) I dosed a .35 level if cupramine in my display, and decided to always run a lower dose of cupramine. Havn't seen ich in 6 weeks. However, last week I bought the achilles, and with in two days he had a cloudy eye, and what looked
Like little contact lenses in or on his eye. Also these have appeared on parts if his body, (flukes).

My question is, whole everyone is still eating , can I go ahead and dose prazi pro having the cupramine in there? I hate to wait and let it progress, we all know the sensitivity of the achilles. I could probably do a big water change tonight, knock copper down by 1/3, and then dose.

Any advice would be appreciated. Things with ich were good with low level of copper, but I feel with flukes on achilles , my window of
Time may be shrinking. Question is remove copper, and then use, or use both at same time and not waste anymore time?


Thanks in advance

 

[Pokerman11]

Many in their QT prophetically run cupramine and two series of prazipro as a standard quarantine system before moving to their DT.

I used to do that now just QT with prazipro. The two can go together, but the medicine stresses fish. Two medicines will stress more than just one.

IF you also have been running any carbon that drops down the copper levels.

From some of the studies I've read .35 level may not kill ick, but suppress it. That would allow blooms on more "ick-friendly" tyles of fish. The achilles is very subsutile to ick, probably came from the LFS with it, but at .35 it may not kill the ick.

As I write this I'm sitting here watching a hippo tang in my QT. He has Ick and at copper levels of .35 it did not stop it. Moved to .5 and seems to be correcting.

I would suggest getting a copper test kit so you know your copper levels.

 

[snorvich]

From some of the studies I've read .35 level may not kill ick, but suppress it.

A non-therapeutic dose of copper will mask ich, velvet, brook, and possibly uronema.

 

[nothingfishy]

Allow me to clarify. I havn't had or seen ich in 6 weeks. I have been running cupramine at a .35 ( many have said .25 and up with cupramine is toxic to ich, including seachem). It is now the flukes I am treating. It just happened to be I was still using cupramine and wanted to know if I could go ahead and use prazi now as well.

Since writing that yesterday, I went ahead and shut off the skimmer (uv light has been off since copper use 6 weeks ago). And I did prazi last night. I didn't do a water change because I figured I can store the 50 gallons I made for this week if I encounter any die off ammonia , or simply use it in between dosages.

So far no casualties, although I have not seen the eye
Clear up, it's been about 24 hrs. I'm guessing the flukes in the eye are protected for now, or that the eye needs time to heal from whatever markings a fluke can leave behind.

In general, how long before "fluke" spots disappear after prazi? Guessing more than 24 hours?

Again not treating ich, just running it prophetically like an lfs does.

 

[snorvich]

Lack of visible symptoms does not preclude the existence of ich in a tank.

 

[nothingfishy]

I understand that. I've been running the cu for 6 weeks, plan is another 6 weeks, and then extract copper. The focus now is on the flukes.

My sole purpose of writing was to discover interactions or side effects using cupramine and praZi, not how to treat ich. So far no casualties, and eye looks to be clearing up. Thank you