AHHH Nitrates

jfbhd4

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Anyone have any ideas to get my nitrates down.
They are around 10-12 ppm and I have been doing water changes and that hasnt worked.
I bought a big skimmer, that hasn't done all that much either.
I tried changing out the active carbon in my powerfilters and that didnt work either.
Its not causing a problem with my tank yet, but I really want to get it as low as I possibly can just to be safe.

Thanks
 
Is 10-12 really that bad? Heck mine are either 25 or 50 right now (I can't tell which purple the purple matches - I hate that damn test)... I did just finish a cycle, but I'm not too worried about them. Maybe I should be!
 
No fuge,
I have about 2-3 inches of crushed coral / shells.
Fish: 4 inch power brown tang
3 inch long chromis
4 inch dragon goby
2 inch royal gramma.
fiji leather, condi anemone. (not that much bioload)

I have been reading that for a reef aquarium, anything above 5 or so is dangerous.
Is that true? Can I ever achieve that # without having a million filters, skimmers etc?
 
i don't believe high nitrates are as bad as everyone makes them out to be, mine are over 50 and have always been that way, i've tried everything possible, massive regular water changes, bio denitrator, denitrate media, nothing helps, i currently only feed fish once daily and lightly at that, skim real wet, have chaeto in my refug and it grows like crazy, if i have have to do anymore than that reefing would no longer be fun, so i just accepted the fact that i will always have high nitrates, but even with them being that high everything grows like crazy, i even put in a few sps frags just to see how they would do and they have over doubled in size, no color loss and are encrusting, so i no longer sweat having high nitrates.
 
I can't ever get my nitrates down either. But I do have some problems with some LPS and have never had any luck with SPS.

I have a fuge with chaeto, an ASM G3 on just 100 gallons, good flow, 3" sand bed and I do water changes 10% twice a month or so. I can't figure it out. But softies do fine in the tank.
 
Yea, I always read that anything over 5ppm was going to kill everything in the tank, so I was scared.
I had a good fish die a few weeks ago and I thought it was because of nitrates.
 
Have you vacuumed the crushed coral? Could be a lot of detritus buildup in there. I know not to vacuum a dsb of aragonite, but I thought that was fairly regular practice of crushed coral substrate.
 
Also, how much and how often are you feeding the tank and do you have much flow in the tank? Is the skimmer pulling anything green and stinky out? Maybe it needs more adjustment.

What are your ammonia and nitrites reading? You get these before you get nitrates.

I agree with the other, 5 for nitrate is not bad.
 
No, I havent vacuumed the coral, but I have moved it all around to cloud the tank and allow the filters to suck it up.
I gave my vacuum away. I guess I need to pick up a new one.

Do I need to move around all my liverock to get under there, or will it be ok to just vacuum all the stuff I can reach.
I really dont want to mess up the rock formation.


The skimmer is pulling alot of bubbbly brown stuff out. About an inch or so a day. (is this set up right salty?) Any more that I adjust it, it gets flooded.


Ammonia is fine. Nitrites? havent tested.
 
Your tank is new so I'm not sure how much vacuuming you need to do. Adding more flow will solve the need for this.

The cycle over time goes first ammonia, then nitrites, then nitrates. So if you have no ammonia and no nitrites, you should be seeing a drop in nitrates soon.

Sounds like your skimmer is working fine.
 
Have you verified your test results? Take some water to a LFS and have them test it. Or test some new salt water before you do a waterchange to see what reading you are getting there. Do you use RO/DI water? Some tap water contains nitrates.
 
Yea I use RO water.
I just bought a gravel vac and I will try that. There is a little buildup between the shells, I will try to get rid of it.
 
I agree with Mykayel - it's possible your test kit is giving you an incorrect result. Ask your LFS (or more than 1) to test it for you & verify your result.

What test kit are you using? They do expire - even if you haven't had it very long, it could have been on the shelf for quite a while before you purchased it. ;)
 
OK- I just used my gravel vac and sucked about 10 gallons of nasty brown water out of my tank. Gross.
I am sure that this will lower the nitrates now.
I will use the gravel vac when I do water changes from now on.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8156773#post8156773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jfbhd4
Yea, I always read that anything over 5ppm was going to kill everything in the tank, so I was scared.

Check out this article:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php

Nitrate is an ion that has long dogged aquarists. The nitrogen that forms it comes in with foods, and can, in many aquaria, raise nitrate enough to make it difficult to maintain natural levels. A decade or two ago, many aquarists performed water changes with nitrate reduction as one of their primary goals. Fortunately, we now have a large array of ways to keep nitrate in check, and modern aquaria suffer far less from elevated nitrate than did those in the past.

Nitrate is often associated with algae, and indeed the growth of algae is often spurred by excess nutrients, including nitrate. Other potential aquarium pests, such as dinoflagellates, are also spurred by excess nitrate and other nutrients. Nitrate itself is not particularly toxic at the levels usually found in aquaria, at least as is so far known in the scientific literature. Nevertheless, elevated nitrate levels can excessively spur the growth of zooxanthellae, which in turn can actually decrease the growth rate of their host coral.

For these reasons, most reef aquarists strive to keep nitrate levels down. A good target is less than 0.2 ppm nitrate. Reef aquaria can function acceptably at much higher nitrate levels (say, 20 ppm), but run greater risks of the problems described above.

There are many ways to reduce nitrate, including reducing the aquarium's nitrogen inputs, increasing nitrogen export by skimming, increasing nitrogen export by growing and harvesting macroalgae or turf algae (or any other organism of your choice), using a deep sand bed, removing existing filters designed to facilitate the nitrogen cycle, using a carbon denitrator, using a sulfur denitrator, using AZ-NO3, using nitrate absorbing solids, and using polymers and carbon that bind organics. All of these methods are described in more detail in a previous article.

Ammonia is the killer.
 
You really oughta get all but about 1/2" of the gravel out- that stuff traps too much crud and fouls the tank IMO. Stirring it up to let the "filter clean it out just fouls the water column up as well....
 
I plan on just using my vacuum to do water changes every 2 weeks or so. I got a ton of nasty water out and I would venture to bet that my levels will be down when I test them in a few days.
 
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