AlgaeFix Marine to control Hair Algae

[iFisch]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15265459#post15265459 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
Thanks for the info. That settles a lot of questions.

It does.

What was the number you called, if you don't mind me asking?

I just want to call again and see if I get the same answer. Not for any other reason than to confirm this. Not to debunk it.

 

[nrannalli]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15267981#post15267981 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by iFisch
It does.

What was the number you called, if you don't mind me asking?

I just want to call again and see if I get the same answer. Not for any other reason than to confirm this. Not to debunk it.

I emailed them but there is a number in the post if you would like to call them.

 

[iFisch]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15268110#post15268110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nrannalli
I emailed them but there is a number in the post if you would like to call them.

Sure. Just for kicks. I want to see if the person I speak with corroborates what has been already said.

 

[PhreeBYrd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15267778#post15267778 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
... In my case, possibly using Erythromycin to control the cyano and elevating my mag. levels for the Derbesia may help in gaining control. This will be my next attempt down the road. What effect AlgaeFix may have on this recipe is also a possibility. I am contemplating setting up a small aquarium to experiment with.

And, here we go! (Part 2)

Cliff, this is just exactly where I was heading. I had the same thought as you regarding the elevated Mg level to treat derbesia. I had used the method before and it did work for me to eliminate bryopsis, and since both are siphonous algaes, I too thought it might be effective on derbesia. I had started elevating my Mg a week prior to beginning the AlgaeFix, and it was at 1900-2000 ppm throughout. I seriously believe that the Mg began to work on the algae before I ever dosed A-F. Adding the A-F kicked it in the head for a few days, but didn't knock it out. However, I do believe the Mg (Tech M) was more effective than A-F against derbesia, because it began to fall apart in spots before I ever started the A-F. I tested the Mg treatment by squirting the necessary Tech-M dosage (2x per day) directly onto the algae. Those spots are still mostly bare (kind of looks like a friar's head). I think you need to just hit it really hard with the Tech M.

And the other thing I noted was this: In areas of very high flow, the derbesia is held to the rockwork very firmly - nearly impossible to pull it off the rock. But in low flow areas, it is barely attached, and it can be pulled off entirely (or seemingly so) very easily. In low flow areas it will even grow from the loose substrate and reach lengths of 6" or more. In high flow areas, 2" is about the max length. It likes the high flow.

So I may yet have a couple more tests in me with this tank.

 

[nrannalli]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15268159#post15268159 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by iFisch
Sure. Just for kicks. I want to see if the person I speak with corroborates what has been already said.

1-800-847-0659

 

[missippboy]

After spending 2 days reading every post and looking at every picture and clicking every link.. I'm sick of Algae talk but here goes.

I want to see if anyone can identify my algae..
I've tried lights out for 3 days, water changes, Phophate Remover media, and siphoning and this stuff continues to grow..

2 or 3 months ago before I started siphoning

After lots of water changes, siphoning, and changing the phosphate removal media every 4 days I still have this. It has been a week since I siphoned any out.

I ordered 2 Two Little Fishies reactors Friday. I use RO/DI water that is tested and perfect, I rinse all frozen food, I have a HOB Rogue Wave Skimmer that pulls out some nasty stuff everyday, yet I only have 2 clowns and a goby in a 90 gallon. Is it time for me to try AlgaeFix?

 

[HighlandReefer]

If this pest is cyanobacteria, AlgaeFix will not work on it. Cyanobacteria is a blue green color in many cases, where as green algae is a mid green color. It is difficult to ID without extreme close-ups if not micro pictures. Color is not the best way to ID these type of pests.

If it is a cyanobacteria, then Erythromycin may be a better way to go.

 

[TampaBayReefer]

Like everyone else that's trying this product I've tried all the natural remedies. RO/DI water changes, Phosphate removers, reduced lighting, reduced feedings and manual removal. None of this is working.

I'm on my second dose of this product and so far no visible results of algae die off. The only thing that I've noticed is that my toadstool leather has not opened in 2 days. I'm hoping that it is not because of this product. I will continue to dose.

 

[HighlandReefer]

Most hobbyists have started to see results at around the 4th or 5th dose when using Algaefix.

 

[missippboy]

My LFS suggested this

 

[HighlandReefer]

I am not sure what is in the product you listed. I would recommend Boyd's ChemiClean. It has the Erythromycin in it.

http://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_1...ent=Select&utm_campaign=broi&site=google_base

 

[TampaBayReefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15271587#post15271587 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by missippboy
My LFS suggested this

I've used this product on cyanobacteria in the past. I works great. Be sure to follow the directions concerning you skimmer and adding extra oxygen to your tank.

 

[PhreeBYrd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15271622#post15271622 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
I am not sure what is in the product you listed. I would recommend Boyd's ChemiClean. It has the Erythromycin in it.

Just to clarify, Boyd's Chemiclean does not contain erythromycin. This is stated on the package, and Boyd Enterprises has always been quite proud of the fact. As a product that is antibiotic-free, it will not kill innocent bystanding bacteria such as nitrifying bacteria and other organisms as will a product containing erythromycin. Boyd's states that their product is an oxidizing agent, and their directions specify that you must supplement oxygenation in the tank with airstones during treatment, which would make sense.

I don't know what is in the UltraLife Red Slime Remover. I had a little go-round with UltraLife a couple of years ago (I believe I posted this experience in another thread here on RC), trying to get the company to either confirm or deny that their product contained erythromycin or another antibiotic. They refused to do so, saying that this was a trade secret. Now, a couple of years later, they clearly state that their product does not contain erythromycin or agaecides, and that it is an oxidizer. Their description of the product has changed completely since my little run-in with them. Maybe they have changed the product. Or maybe they just decided that they should come clean if they want to stay in this business. And just for the record, I did use the UltraLife Red Slime Remover product just prior to my go-round with UltraLife. My rabbit fish, who had been struggling for several weeks with fin and tail rot, was suddenly cured after the treatment. Draw your own conclusion, but my view is that if the current product truly is antibiotic-free, then they have changed the product since I used it.

Both products work on slime algae. I would most certainly use Boyd's Chemiclean first. I have little respect for and no trust in UltraLife after receiving their responses (attitude included) to my questions.

 

[jrw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15272431#post15272431 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PhreeBYrd
Just to clarify, Boyd's Chemiclean does not contain erythromycin. ..... I would most certainly use Boyd's Chemiclean first.

+1

 

[HighlandReefer]

This is a post that Randy made regarding ChemiClean:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1484298&highlight=chemiclean

"Yes, I believe it has been identified as erythromycin by certain spectroscopic methods with a different counterion than other forms of erythromycin that it has claimed to not be.

Boyd says:

"Contains no phosphates, algacides or Erythromycin succinate"

but evidence points to it simply being a different erythromycin salt.


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[iFisch]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15274073#post15274073 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
This is a post that Randy made regarding ChemiClean:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1484298&highlight=chemiclean

"Yes, I believe it has been identified as erythromycin by certain spectroscopic methods with a different counterion than other forms of erythromycin that it has claimed to not be.

Boyd says:

"Contains no phosphates, algacides or Erythromycin succinate"

but evidence points to it simply being a different erythromycin salt.
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So what's true? I just picked up this stuff (Elite) for a trade in on a fish, so I can pick up a pair of ORA Picasso's.

Mind sharing a little more about the Elite stuff?

 

[HighlandReefer]

Boyd's Chemi-Pure Elite:

http://www.petdiscounters.com/c569/Boyds-Chemi-Pure-Elite-p7112.html

From this:

"Chemi-Pure Elite is a precise formula for use with either fresh, reef, and marine aquariums as a chemical absorption filter, ion generator and exchange unit, which positively keeps the pH at a constant level. Ammonia and nitrate scavenging formula removes cooper metal, phosphates, ions, odors, all pollution, gasses, carbon dioxide, and color from aquarium water.

Chemi-Pure quickly buffers pH harmlessly and without any shock to the fish.

Newly collected marines or fishes from old water may be transferred to Chemi-Pure filtered water without harm as this remarkable formula neutralizes the fright and shock systems of fishes.

Chemi-Pure Elite formula now contains Ferric oxide, which helps remove red slime and PO4 (phosphates from the water, giving your coral and fish a healthy environment to grow and live. Packaged in a sealed nylon filter bag."

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This is not the same product as ChemiClean. This product contains a GFO to help reduce phosphate levels.

 

[HighlandReefer]

Regarding the ChemiClean, Boomer knows more information about the Erythromycin in it and the type of independent tests that were done on it.

 

[HighlandReefer]

OK, I found a thread where Boomer indicated what was in ChemiClean:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...&perpage=25&highlight=chemiclean&pagenumber=2

From this thread:

"2thdeekay

It is Erthyromycin cetyl suflate

A chem grad student had looked at it an thought it was Polyacrylamide with no testing. I thought may be so as it is well known in the water world as a flocculating agent. He was going to get it tested but never did. However, it was tested out side of the USA. We also had thoughts it was Alum but we got no sulfate levels. Since the sulafte is acttached to the cetyl you will not me able to measure free sulfate levels in Erthyromycin cetyl, like you could in Alum suflate. So, we did not know what it was.


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[wmatt140]

Marine SAT?

Marine SAT?

Has anyone tried TLC's Marine SAT? It claims to address hair algae by using bateria that out compete the hair algae for nutrients thus killing it. Since it is live bacteria they claim no negative effects on the tank.

Sorry if already mentioned. I read this entire thread a week ago and don't recall seeing it.