Alkalinity: the buffer to my success (A long post)

nursedude

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Some background info (TL;DR at the bottom):
As my Aquatic log tells me my 66 gallon aquarium is only 2 months and 18 days old, so its new. I am blurry eyed with research, now I think I need to step back and see what a few folks think. The issue I am hoping to lay at the feet of our knowledgable community, my Alkalinity. In the last two weeks my tank has started to consume Alk in large quantities, leading to dramatic swings 7.2-5.7 KH overnight. Up to this point it was very stable and I tested every three days (Alk, Mg, and Ca). I stopped testing Ammonia, Nitrates and Phos because they read zero.

I have one Frogspawn (it has grown) in the DT, and one furry mushroom in the sump, along with a softball size clump of Chaeto. I also have two small black and white clowns and an Orchid Dotty back. There has been GHA for which I began GFO and carbon, along with other measures, which seems to be helping. I dose Kalkwasser in my ATO, 2 teaspoons per gallon (I was dosing less but Ca and Alk were dropping). I believed this amount of Kalk would stabilize my Ca and Alk until I started to stock corals more heavily. I have some new precipitation on my glass within the chamber my ATO empties; I have placed a small power head in this chamber. I broke my protein skimmer while cleaning it and have a new one on the way. I believed this is why I have the new precipitation; because the protein skimmer provided circulation to this chamber (not dosing into skimmer chamber, dosing adjacent).

I did a water change yesterday 15 gallons, and had done a water change last week of the same volume. I have been adding BRS soda ash to the tank in small doses over the course of a day to bring the Alk to at least 7 for the last week. This is difficult because the tank seems to consume the Alkalinity faster than I can dose the soda ash in a safe manner. I was puzzled, for about a week it seemed my Alk was dropping but my Ca was stable, just this week my Ca dropped to about 380, at least this follows the expected pattern of decline. I use two Alk test kits a Seachem Alk/pH, and Salifert.

I do see very mild coralline growth, 1/16 inch a few places. The rock in the sump is covered in coralline with some growth.

Water Parameters from today:
Alkalinity 5.7 (AM) 6.7-7.0 (PM) 9 grams soda ash in 0.5 gallon RODI dosed today
Calcium 450
Magnesium 1350
Nitrate 0
pH 8.4
Phos 0
Salinity 1.025

My questions (I want to fix this as much as understand it):
Is it reasonable the Kalk in the ATO is not keeping up, or is it precipitating out?

Is the GFO the culprit, read 1/4 cup my be to much for my size tank?

I keep hearing about bacterial growth, a suspect?

A combination of coralline, and coral growth outpacing Kalk?

-Is it just time for 2 part dosing-

TL;DR My lightly stocked tank is consuming Alk, even with Kalwasser in ATO, time for 2 part?
 
I'm new myself and still learning about this whole pH dkh ca++ balance. My question to you,

Why did you stay dosing kalkwasser in the first place?
 
You have massively overdosed calcium and alkalinity. I would stop dosing alk, Ca and kalkwasser for at least a week or two to let things settle out. Also if you are using a salt mix that is high in calcium or alkalinity switch to a salt lower in those parameters. Lastly be sure your magnesium is at at least 1350ppm.
 
You have massively overdosed calcium and alkalinity. I would stop dosing alk, Ca and kalkwasser for at least a week or two to let things settle out. Also if you are using a salt mix that is high in calcium or alkalinity switch to a salt lower in those parameters. Lastly be sure your magnesium is at at least 1350ppm.

So I loved it to death by dosing...Basically did I overload the water with chemicals working to balance each other, only to become unstable? Should I do a water change to help things along?
 
I'm new myself and still learning about this whole pH dkh ca++ balance. My question to you,

Why did you stay dosing kalkwasser in the first place?

Initially, I started to see a decline in Alk and Ca, mild like 440 to 390 Ca, so I started with 0.5 teaspoon of kalwasser to see if I could stabilize things. I then found it to be more dramatic, the changes that is, so I started using a higher dose per gallon thinking I needed it. I thought it was strange to need more so soon...
 
You have massively overdosed calcium and alkalinity. I would stop dosing alk, Ca and kalkwasser for at least a week or two to let things settle out. Also if you are using a salt mix that is high in calcium or alkalinity switch to a salt lower in those parameters. Lastly be sure your magnesium is at at least 1350ppm.

I am not following this...

His Alk is low, calcium and mag are about right (according to what he posted). How has he "massively overdosed" his tank??
 
I am not following this...

His Alk is low, calcium and mag are about right (according to what he posted). How has he "massively overdosed" his tank??

Im having the same trouble understanding that too.


I also am having trouble understanding how adding Kalk to the ATO would cause the use of calcium to swing even more than it was before.


An alk swing from 7 down to 6 overnight is an indication that something way bigger is happening here. I have a very similar tank setup as his and just started to work on dosing. Even when I wasnt dosing and then started I didnt see swings that big.

I have no idea what that other problem is, something is missing tho. Maybe the water being used for ATO or water changes? Where did that water come from?
 
Im having the same trouble understanding that too.


I also am having trouble understanding how adding Kalk to the ATO would cause the use of calcium to swing even more than it was before.


An alk swing from 7 down to 6 overnight is an indication that something way bigger is happening here. I have a very similar tank setup as his and just started to work on dosing. Even when I wasnt dosing and then started I didnt see swings that big.

I have no idea what that other problem is, something is missing tho. Maybe the water being used for ATO or water changes? Where did that water come from?

I have a BRS 3 stage RODI with TDS meter for top off water, and saltwater mixing (I use Fritz salt BTW). I have a hanna checker Alk coming Tues. along with my new skimmer. I'll use that as a de facto reference, there is variability with the color changing tests, for sure. Thanks for the reply as well!
 
Are you dosing both soda ash and bicarbonate to try to balance alk? I have no personal experience with that combo, but have heard there can be some problems.

PErsonally, I use Kent DKH Alk buffer, one product, one dose, re alk.

Another immediate thing to check if you're getting bizarre readings on a test---is the test itself. Check your expiration date.
 
Are you dosing both soda ash and bicarbonate to try to balance alk? I have no personal experience with that combo, but have heard there can be some problems.

PErsonally, I use Kent DKH Alk buffer, one product, one dose, re alk.

Another immediate thing to check if you're getting bizarre readings on a test---is the test itself. Check your expiration date.

No, only soda ash, using the BRS calculator as a reference for dosing.

As far as the test kit goes, it is not expired I checked but the variability is maddening. I will start new with the hanna Alk checker and monitor from those results onward.
 
Maybe your mag test is off. Low mag will cause this. Anyone else around that can confirm your test results with their own kits?
 
Like I said, I'm new to this. Testing magnesium is also good advice. My understanding is you want to make sure calcium and bicarbonate and magnesium are at the proper level, then use kalkwasser to maintain levels.
 
What you have done is super saturate the calcium in your system. Unless you use a salt mix low in calcium and alkalinity a water change isn't going to do you much good. Bulk Reef Supply has a good video on the subject:

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/video...lutions-but-the-levels-are-actually-dropping/

Thank you, in the back of my mind I wondered if this might be the case as I increased the kalkwasser dose. Logically, it just seemed unlikely there was enough organic load to use all that Alk and Ca. But I started into panic mode when it kept dropping, thus why I posted here. I actually emptied my ATO last night per your recommendation and refilled with RODI water. My KH was 6.7-7.0 today I expect it to improve as things balance out. :thumbsup:
 
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