Am I forgetting anything & Lights opinions

Zoregon

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So the beast has arrived!!

I've ordered a protein skimmer, sump, salt, 50lbs LR, 50lbs dry rock, 80lbs live sand, 120lbs dry sand, refractometer, 4 stage rodi unit and a test kit for PH/KH/Ammonia/Nitrate/Nitrite and a thermometer.

Anything else for start up that I have forgotten about??

Also can anyone weigh in on lights? I'm looking at either a 60" Sunfire T5 6x 80w or 3 Kessil A360 LED's. I like the idea of the Kessils as I can place them so there is minimal shadow from the tank braces. But other than that I don't know which is better - LED or T5????

And yes, if anyone wants to know, I am bleeding money..........

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The canopy will prevent you from placing the Kessils high enough above the water to provide any coverage so the T5s would be a better option of the two you mentioned.

Do you have a return pump? Heater? Bulkheads? Ball/Gate valves? Wavemakers/powerheads for in tank flow?
 
Great looking tank and stand. I think you are going to be real happy. How large is the tank and what corals, if any, are you planing to keep?

Overall I would go with the t5's, but you might want to consider a retrofit rather than a fixture. I am not familiar with the Sunfire, is it maybe a Sunpower? A fixture will be difficult to mount in the canopy particularly in regards to the built in cooling fans.
 
I don't see a reference to tank size, but it looks like it's a 180g. If that's the case, I'd suggest an 8-bulb T5HO fixture. The ATI Sunpower line would be a very good investment (they have a very high resale value), and will be far cheaper than almost any LED option. They're also bulletproof - set 'n forget, no worries about burning corals or shadowing as you would with LEDs.
 
Its 72x24x25.5 if I measure height from top to bottom on the outside. But height is 24 if I measure from the inside. So I would say its a 180?

I have a return pump of 1200 gph, two powerheads and two heaters. Wavemakers not in budget yet, tossing around an ATO.

Lol. Yes Sunpower, must have been thinking of my daughters old car lol.

I have to buy the whole fixture as the tank came with diy lighting, 3 cords spliced together and tin foil backing for reflection - yikes! Too scared to even plug that sucker in....

Also can't find an 8 bulb in the 60" size, only 6. And will 60" be sufficient for the 72" length? My research on the forum suggests it will.
 
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I'd highly recommend the ATO, and get a good one (specifically the Tunze Universal Osmolator). It has lots of safeties that prevent the "flooded tank syndrome".

BTW - Bulk Reef Supply does a "group buy" discount through Reef Central every month. You can pick up details on their specific vendor sub-forum.

Bulk Reef Supply sells the 8 bulb 60" sunpower, but is out of stock at the moment. Premium Aquatics is another big ATI retailer, and has that unit in-stock. And yes, a 60" fixture will be OK for a 72" tank, since one doesn't typically place corals right up against the ends of the tank. Another option is to get 2 36" fixtures, at the cost of extra up-front expense and more bulbs to change over the fixture's lifetime. However, that allows you to get dimmable fixtures with integrated photcycle programmability and single cords if that appeals to you (the 80w bulb fixtures aren't available as "dimmable").
 
Thanks everyone!! I got it used off Kijiji (Ontarios Craigslist) for a good price as the guy was moving.

I thought the lights would be okay in the canopy as the majority of it is open. Would the issue be them overheating? DIY on lights makes me nervous and I'd rather just purchase.

The 60" ATI 8 bulb description says :
"Rated for Soft coral tanks up to 160 gallons, mixed reef tanks up to 130 gallons and SPS coral dominated tanks up to 105 gallons"

Will this be enough? light? I'm planning soft corals, nothing too extravagant but who knows where this journey will take me.....the best laid plans lol
 
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I would contact ATI about the fixture in a canopy.

http://www.atinorthamerica.com/

Do a google search for "ATI sunpower in canopy". I did and saw a number of concerns about using fans and heat problems. Some even took the tops off canopies for decent ventilation.
 
Yes, there can definitely be heat issues with a fixture in a canopy, especially if there's no offset between the fixture and the top panel of the canopy and/or the fans are covered. Honestly, most of us ditch the whole canopy eventually, because it's so much easier to do tank maintenance.

That said, I'm aware that there's sometimes spousal-approval-based-on-appearance issues with that strategy. ;)

With respect to the lighting, you should do very well with soft corals, especially lower light ones like zoas, mushrooms, green star polyps, etc... You can also keep high-light corals like toadstool leathers and large-polyp stony corals (abbreviated LPS on the forums) if you construct a reef structure that allows you to place the corals in the top half of the tank.
 
Lose the canopy completely if you can, and go with LEDs so you don't have to get a chiller, you could ventilate the canopy but it's much better not to have one.


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A par meter should be in every new tank budget. For some reason, we can rationalize spending thousands on corals yet guess on whether or not we are providing the correct lighting.

If a Par meter isn't in your budget, any decent light manufacturer will provide a par mapping to give you a solid base understanding of how much light will reach your tank - which can vary greatly throughout the tank.
 
A couple of thoughts on the canopy/heat. If the tank's in a room with reasonable temperature control (AC in the summer, heat in the winter), and no direct sunlight can hit it, then it's highly unlikely you will require a chiller with T5HO lighting. One typically needs a chiller only if the room temperature gets too high in the summer (over about 76 - 78 deg F), or one is using high intensity metal halide (MH) or MH/T5HO combinations.

If you decide to go with LEDs, then yes, you really, really need a PAR meter or access to one (many reef clubs have a "club meter" that they loan out). It's very, very easy to fry corals with the intensity that most LED fixtures can put out, and it's very difficult to judge the intensity of the lighting by eye alone.

However, you do not require a PAR meter with T5HO lighting. The nature of fluorescent lighting is that the total PAR that a given lamp puts out is spread over the entire length of the bulb, and it's very, very difficult to get too high of an intensity over the tank as a whole because it's just not possible to fit that many bulbs over a tank. There's a caveat to every "rule", and it might be possible to generate too much intensity with T5HO if one had an extraordinarily shallow tank - 12" or less.

There's several reasons that I and others will recommend that you start with a high quality T5HO fixture like you're considering instead of LED lighting. The first is that, as a beginner, the overwhelming complexity of LED lighting can be intimidating. Not only must you figure out how many fixtures you'll require, but there's also the matter of spectrum - most fixtures will let you adjust to a spectrum that won't make corals happy. Then there's the biggest reason - the expense.

A coral reef tank is not a cheap endeavor, and there's a quite high initial outlay for not only the tank, live rock and livestock, but also numerous test kits, ATOs, a good skimmer, effective propeller pumps for the tank, a water purification system, etc... Typically, a good T5HO fixture like an ATI is going to set you back about $700 for a 6 foot tank, plus about $160 for bulbs. Lighting a 6 foot tank with EcoTech Radions, AI Hydra 52s, or Kessil AP700s is going to cost a lot more than that. Even cheap chinese LED fixtures aren't all that cheap, and many of them lack sufficient spectrum below about 420 nm. An 8-bulb ATI, and 4 Blue Plus, 2 Purple Plus and a couple of Coral Plus bulbs, and you're set. Simply add a timer to turn the 2 daybreak/twilight bulbs on at 10 a.m., another timer to turn the rest of them on at noon, and then most of them off at 10 p.m., and the final 2 off at 11 p.m. or midnight, and you're all set.
 
A couple of thoughts on the canopy/heat. If the tank's in a room with reasonable temperature control (AC in the summer, heat in the winter), and no direct sunlight can hit it, then it's highly unlikely you will require a chiller with T5HO lighting. One typically needs a chiller only if the room temperature gets too high in the summer (over about 76 - 78 deg F), or one is using high intensity metal halide (MH) or MH/T5HO combinations. If you decide to go with LEDs, then yes, you really, really need a PAR meter or access to one (many reef clubs have a "club meter" that they loan out). It's very, very easy to fry corals with the intensity that most LED fixtures can put out, and it's very difficult to judge the intensity of the lighting by eye alone. However, you do not require a PAR meter with T5HO lighting. The nature of fluorescent lighting is that the total PAR that a given lamp puts out is spread over the entire length of the bulb, and it's very, very difficult to get too high of an intensity over the tank as a whole because it's just not possible to fit that many bulbs over a tank. There's a caveat to every "rule", and it might be possible to generate too much intensity with T5HO if one had an extraordinarily shallow tank - 12" or less. There's several reasons that I and others will recommend that you start with a high quality T5HO fixture like you're considering instead of LED lighting. The first is that, as a beginner, the overwhelming complexity of LED lighting can be intimidating. Not only must you figure out how many fixtures you'll require, but there's also the matter of spectrum - most fixtures will let you adjust to a spectrum that won't make corals happy. Then there's the biggest reason - the expense. A coral reef tank is not a cheap endeavor, and there's a quite high initial outlay for not only the tank, live rock and livestock, but also numerous test kits, ATOs, a good skimmer, effective propeller pumps for the tank, a water purification system, etc... Typically, a good T5HO fixture like an ATI is going to set you back about $700 for a 6 foot tank, plus about $160 for bulbs. Lighting a 6 foot tank with EcoTech Radions, AI Hydra 52s, or Kessil AP700s is going to cost a lot more than that. Even cheap chinese LED fixtures aren't all that cheap, and many of them lack sufficient spectrum below about 420 nm. An 8-bulb ATI, and 4 Blue Plus, 2 Purple Plus and a couple of Coral Plus bulbs, and you're set. Simply add a timer to turn the 2 daybreak/twilight bulbs on at 10 a.m., another timer to turn the rest of them on at noon, and then most of them off at 10 p.m., and the final 2 off at 11 p.m. or midnight, and you're all set.


T5s are cheaper initially, but replacement bulbs, chiller ballasts, fans timers, extra cost of powering all of that stuff, eliminate all of the headache and go with LEDs, T5s work and they work great but LEDS take up very little room and you won't need a $1000 chiller or all of the bulbs that are toxic once broken , spare ballasts all the timers and bull.
 
T5s are cheaper initially, but replacement bulbs, chiller ballasts, fans timers, extra cost of powering all of that stuff, eliminate all of the headache and go with LEDs, T5s work and they work great but LEDS take up very little room and you won't need a $1000 chiller or all of the bulbs that are toxic once broken , spare ballasts all the timers and bull.

There are several good threads with an analysis of the lifetime costs of T5HOs, T5HOs/MHs, and LEDs. As it turns out, the initial capital outlay for LEDs overwhelms the additional expense of bulb changes and electricity costs for T5HOs by a fairly large margin. The situation is less clear for T5HO/MH combinations because of the possible need for chillers as you mention.
 
I have done LEDS (AI) and switched to MH then to MH/T5 and now just T5. The capital outlay to get sufficient coverage from LED is quite high. I needed at least 5 LED fixtures over my 180 and still had spots with P poor coverage, as in PAR (I have a par meter). By the time I got to 5 LEDs the wattage usage was very close to the same as or more than 3 250 Watt MH.

Do some reading in the Lighting, equipment forum.
 
Thanks so much for the information. I am going to go with the 8 bulb T5 fixture for sure. I had a tank years ago but it was long before, ATO's, Led's, etc. so with my limited experience I'm going to go with the KISS method lol.

To clarify on the canopy. It's actually more like a skirt. The top of the canopy is open and so is the back. There are two divider braces that I can just set the light on so won't actually have to have it "in" the canopy but rather "on" it. I have no doubt it will be a pain to work around and take on and off when needed, but I do like the look of it (for now).

I did go ahead and order the ATO unit. I'm not going to do a wavemaker yet as it's going to cycle for a bit so will get it on my next order.

I'm continuously researching and wondering if I am missing carbon in my list? Do I want/need it?
 
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