Amino Acids

rutz81

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After reading a few threads about Amino acids and their benefits I dedided to order up some from fragfarmer.com. I was looking for some experiences, things to beware of, how long till I see some results, how much to dose, as well as any other information users would be willing to share.

Thanks for any help.

Dave
 
Since apparently not too many people have much experience; I will be sure to post some before and after pictures.
 
IMO, it's probably something pretty easily taken in by bacteria and other consumers more likely than corals, which have been shown to produce some Aminos on their own [or on their surface bacteria].
PDF - Biosynthesis of `essential' amino acids in scleractinian corals

I've experimented with two different well known brands and to my experience didn't so anything more IMO than daily [or multiple daily] small feedings with a good DIY food. Then again, my anecdotal experience doesn't always match everyone else's.

I've seen amazing tanks that don't use them. And some that do. There's multiple paths to the results we all seek, though devoted care and time are most often held in common with all of them.

If you don't feed a lot, it's a convenient way to provide nutrients to your system.

IMO, you might be wasting your money - but beyond excess nutrient issues, I don't see any serious harm [besides the pocketbook] from experimenting with aminos.

That said, IME time without changing anything and devotion to the tank [water quality] generally yield the best results.
Sometimes when I try to `isolate' something I'm experimenting with, the tank does best - as I keep the hands out beyond w/c, I don't alter any light/waterflow/filtration-skimming/placement/etc with the corals, so left alone, they thrive best :lmao:

I've learned that for my case, constant experimentation with foods and nothing else beyond constant upkeep/export has led to the best results, as I'm leaving the tank alone to thrive as I try to gauge my results. :rolleyes:
Probably have better results yet if I quit fiddling ...
 
I have got to see the science that shows corals and absorbe free form amino acids LOL


What you need to do is feed the SPS ect rotifers that are photo plankton fed

photo plankton is some of the best food in the world for most of the animal on earth even humans.

This is how coral process amino acids, with actual food


Or are you planing to directly aply these amino acids into its stomache?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8570145#post8570145 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jackson vile
I have got to see the science that shows corals and absorbe free form amino acids LOL


What you need to do is feed the SPS ect rotifers that are photo plankton fed

photo plankton is some of the best food in the world for most of the animal on earth even humans.

This is how coral process amino acids, with actual food


Or are you planing to directly aply these amino acids into its stomache?

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1218179&blobtype=pdf
 
They call them gastrovascular cavities or something like that ... but it's where it takes in some food, and it's waste comes from.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8570145#post8570145 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jackson vile
I have got to see the science that shows corals and absorbe free form amino acids LOL
The PDF I linked [or the same paper, that DonW linked] demonstrates this.

It's a very interesting paper, we could argue about it for weeks [and have in the past :D].

Also demonstrates that they're able to produce many on their own - but that both `manufacture' and uptake are happening.

I must mention, these corals were not studied in aquaria [like ours] - where AA concentration is likely much lower, where far more consumers of AA's are, where the corals might uptake nearly none of those added ... but yes, there's plenty of science saying they uptake radiolabeled AA's - just like there's science saying that they can produce them on their own too.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8570016#post8570016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by panic
Buy quality food that has aminos in it
Potassium too ;)

I lean far more towards high quality + varied food sources too.
 
I feed mysis, bloodworms, oyster eggs, rotifers, golden pearls, nori, cyclopeeze, reef plankton, and anything else that i throw in there.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8572530#post8572530 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Treg
Mark, Such as??
Amino-wise, let's just say I tried both Dutch and German manufacturers.


Foodwise ... a DIY food IMO.
Contains potassium, built with aminos ... both coral flesh we're growing, and fish/shellfish flesh we're feeding.

The batches I've made that were ziplocs, 1/4" or so thick [not super thick, easy to break small pieces from] worked best for daily/multiple feedings - which IMO is preferable to every other day very large feedings. With DIY food, I can package it so that I don't have to work with big cubes to feed my 58 - making feeding small quantities more often simple.

Ingredients - three main groups, mostly the first two:
1 - CE, mysis, brine, squid [or anything, really] from the standard fare.
2 - Squid, oysters and shellfish, shrimp, anything else that looks interesting [fish roe, all sorts of stuff] from the seafood/Asian market.
3 - I often add small amounts of golden pearls, oyster eggs, rotifers/other-small-food, whatever I got samples of at the last conference :D
4 - While I'll add Nori for the fish, I don't add/feed phyto products to this tank.

Given I freeze it, when experimenting with non-freezable stuff [aminos, rotifers, etc] - I add to the cup I thaw the food in. [don't have to worry about `packing juice' in my food IMO]
That said, when feeding DIY food I often skip any further nutrient-dosing ... I've experimented with aminos/rotifers/etc more when feeding the fish non-DIY mysis and such. [I tend to only make DIY food when it's below zero outside and I can freeze it outside when done - thus run out mid-late summer]

Blend into various sizes, normally a little more than planned seems to get `too small for most fish' ... and crank that skimmer.

I haven't made a batch in 6 months, normally search up Eric and other folk's recipes before heading to shop seafood - avoid anything with additives/preservatives, some fish/etc are oily/problematic, some shellfish and the like can be great additions. A lot of folks know a lot more than I on this one - but after running out of DIY food now and then [like now] ... after a few months I always seem to think it worthwhile.

Warning: it can make the kitchen smell like a seafood market for the afternoon.
Get a used blender at a garage sale. My wife couldn't be happier that I went to a garage sale, got a barely used blender for $10 so I never ever use our normal blender for grinding up fish guts. This IME is the most important part to making food :D
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8570029#post8570029 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by my2girls
IMO AA just fuels algae.
That's the thing to worry about, and why feeding can be a delicate balance and tricky thing to mess with, IMO esp so with aminos [where some consumers like fish can't help out with].

Not enough, IMO corals don't thrive as they might ... too much, they color/grow poorly.

And aminos IME can be harder to gauge than food, and when fed `on top of' normal food makes it easy to have nutrient-level-swings in the tank. IMO, at least if you over-feed something the fish eat some of ... your fish get fat :)

One whole heap of too-much-coffee-opinion ... liable to change as I continually learn more, hear other folks experiences, and try new things.
 
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Thanks for the information Mark and everyone else, maybe I should of asked this before I ordered it. But, since I already ordered it(only $38 with shipping) I'll see how it goes and I'll post my results. Both good or bad.

Dave
 
I also use the similar fresh mix like Mark plus some cyclopeeze, Daphnia microplankton, and some Spectrum pellets and a dash of phytoplankton. I'm leaving out the phyto next time.
 
Salifert amino acids turned my pink stylo (DARK) brown after three days of dosing 0.5mm a day for a 200l tank , which is roughly a third of their recommended dosage.:mad:
 
Salifert amino acids turned my pink stylo (DARK) brown after three days of dosing 0.5mm a day for a 200l tank , which is roughly a third of their recommended dosage.:mad:
 

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