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frankandmaura
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LOL...ok ok...we are beating a dead horse here...
There are so many ways this country could prosper. There are other clean sources of energy...nuclear, even coal is cleaner and safe...wind, solar, etc...fact is oil makes the world go round right now...and there ain't a darn thing we are going to do about it
There are so many ways this country could prosper. There are other clean sources of energy...nuclear, even coal is cleaner and safe...wind, solar, etc...fact is oil makes the world go round right now...and there ain't a darn thing we are going to do about it
Folks can argue as to weather global temp increases are man made or due to human influence. The answer is probably both. But ragardless of causality, there is little debate regarding the fact that global average temperatures are rising (especially at the poles) and that ocean water levels are rising. The influence of this on the worlds reefs is undeniable. Corals are bleaching due to corals expelling xooanthellae as a direct result of increasing temps in equatorial waters. Recent NASA observations reveal that algae and plankton counts are rapidly diminishing (observeable from space as increased intensity of the blue color of the oceans ) due to ocean warming which if unabated will eventually collapse the food chain. If one doesn't believe the above I will gladly sell you Louisiana coastal wetland property. Louisiana is losing the equivalent of one Manhattan Island every month due to the encroachment of ocean water due to rising ocean levels. Even the most dire predictions one decade ago are being outstripped since the process of icesheet melting is occuring more rapidly than anticipated. What is especially concerning about this latest event that Vince points out is that it is occuring in the winter months, the time of year when the ice should be forming, not breaking apart.
Regardless of where one stands on global warming, there are countless arguments to reduce our use of fossil fuel products. For one, reducing or eliminating our dependence on mideast oil would put radical islamists out of business in a cocaine heartbeat since it is oil revenues that fund the madrases and terrorist operations/organizations. While there would be short term personal economic pain during a transition away from fossil fuel dependency, the leading economists agree that a "green revolution" would create unprecedented growth in jobs and national revenue. Moreover, these revenues would be more evenly distyributed throughout the economy rather than in the top 1% that presently contols over 70% of national wealth. That is why this change will be slow to arrive in this country due to this undemocratic concentration of wealth/power. There is yet 2 trillion barrels of oil that can reasonably be accessed in the ground and the powers that be are not going to easily let go of those possible revenues. Clean energy is largely decentralized energy, the profits of which will not be easily controlled by the current power structure. So ponder that when considering who stands to profit from resisting global warming theories. Follow the money and you may see that there are other factors besides the data that are infuencing opinions and policy. Othjer countries are already rapidly investing in and developing green technologies. If we do not begin to quickly act, we will lose our competitive technological advantage that we have possibly taken for granted for too long.
Thanks for putting up with ravings. But this is the very reason that I elected to orchestrate the zoo reef exhibit...to help galvanize public awareness and interest in this domain.
Regardless of where one stands on global warming, there are countless arguments to reduce our use of fossil fuel products. For one, reducing or eliminating our dependence on mideast oil would put radical islamists out of business in a cocaine heartbeat since it is oil revenues that fund the madrases and terrorist operations/organizations. While there would be short term personal economic pain during a transition away from fossil fuel dependency, the leading economists agree that a "green revolution" would create unprecedented growth in jobs and national revenue. Moreover, these revenues would be more evenly distyributed throughout the economy rather than in the top 1% that presently contols over 70% of national wealth. That is why this change will be slow to arrive in this country due to this undemocratic concentration of wealth/power. There is yet 2 trillion barrels of oil that can reasonably be accessed in the ground and the powers that be are not going to easily let go of those possible revenues. Clean energy is largely decentralized energy, the profits of which will not be easily controlled by the current power structure. So ponder that when considering who stands to profit from resisting global warming theories. Follow the money and you may see that there are other factors besides the data that are infuencing opinions and policy. Othjer countries are already rapidly investing in and developing green technologies. If we do not begin to quickly act, we will lose our competitive technological advantage that we have possibly taken for granted for too long.
Thanks for putting up with ravings. But this is the very reason that I elected to orchestrate the zoo reef exhibit...to help galvanize public awareness and interest in this domain.
RyanM
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The question at least for me isnt wether or not the earths climate is changing. I believe it is and will continue to change long after we are gone. The reefs have been totaly destroyed several times in the past due to envirometal changes. Oceans rising and falling etc. Arctic expansion and decline. The reef is what we know it as today because of these past events. To think that all of a sudden after thousands of years of evolution we come along and now this time out of all the times before that this has happened this time its our fault. I just dont buy it. But...
I do believe we should look for alterantives to oil. It wont last for ever, we will soon have to do something. I say solar but like I said before. There is no money in it. You can only tax the solar panel sales once then no more tax. Where as corn for example can be taxed per gallon. We the tax payers are being tax right now 50 cent per gallon for every gallon of ethenol being produced thru government subsudies. Do you burn it? I dont but im paying for it. Someone is making money on a fuel that only an extreme few even use. All in the name of Global warming. Its not right.
I do believe we should look for alterantives to oil. It wont last for ever, we will soon have to do something. I say solar but like I said before. There is no money in it. You can only tax the solar panel sales once then no more tax. Where as corn for example can be taxed per gallon. We the tax payers are being tax right now 50 cent per gallon for every gallon of ethenol being produced thru government subsudies. Do you burn it? I dont but im paying for it. Someone is making money on a fuel that only an extreme few even use. All in the name of Global warming. Its not right.
frankandmaura
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Check out this World Clock...notice how many barrels of oil are produced?!?
Also notice the earths temp...going up rather quickly, hmmmmm....
http://www.chippynews.com/worldclock.htm
Interesting...
Also notice the earths temp...going up rather quickly, hmmmmm....
http://www.chippynews.com/worldclock.htm
Interesting...
