any breeders here?

PM (rbdesigns) hes in Downey I think he has a pair that spawn every sunday...Not sure if hes started to raise the fry?

(NicoleC) also has a batch of clowns I believe who will be looking for homes soon.

Good Luck.

Sam
 
I think they both will have either the occ. or percs...

NicoleC I think also breeds YWG's.

Sam
 
Hey Gemini,

Here are a couple of good links I have bookmarked.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204315&highlight=salt+group+buy
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110075&highlight=brood+stock+system
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401952&highlight=brood+stock+system
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232873&highlight=brood+stock+system
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=775965&highlight=brood+stock+system
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=550731

You should pm David Lockwood, he's in San Clemente. Also there is David M in San Diego that sells different clownfish he has breed.

I don't have any for sale, I am barely putting my system together and establishing my pairs. Nicole is ver knowledgeable and I think will have some ocellaris for sale in a couple of months. Even if you are only doing it for fun, it gets demanding. I feel like I have a second job, and am stressing out because I might have to leave the country in a couple of months and am afraid the person I leave caring for my tanks will kill everything. I am seriously thinking of selling off all my pairs so I don't risk any of them dying.

Unless you buy your clownfish from a hobbiest, most likely the "mated pair" you are buying never saw each other in the wild. Sometimes wholesalers take a small clownfish and bigger one, place them together and if they don't fight they call them a "pair." Captive breed are hardier, IME wild caught are a pain because you have to watch for signs of brooklynella and have to look out for internal parasites. If I could do it again I wouldn't try to breed clownfish, I am broke because I've tried to get a hold of the "unsual/ harder to find" species and have paid a grip for them. My family thinks I am out of my mind for spending so many hours in my garage and wasting my money away.
 
on those links i saw the shopping list for a couple pairs but i only can have(small room) about 1 pair MAYBE 2 depending o the following; how many and of what sized tanks would i need per pair of purculas,tomatos,or occelaris??

i was thinking of this set-up(for 1 pair)

10 gallon tank~pair home
50 watt heater
aqua clear 200 filter
stock lights
50% water changes over the coarse of the week
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when eggs are ready~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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10 gallon tank
50 watt heater
sponge filter (where do you get these?)
air pump w/stone
stock lighting
black construction paper on all but the front
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food~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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rotifier breeding system
brine shrimp hatchery
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grow-out~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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10 gallon
heater
sponge filter
air pump w/stone



let me know what im overlooking
 
I suggest buying a copy of Wilkerson's "Clownfishes" and also Frank Hoff's "Conditioning, Spawning and Rearing of Fish With Emphasis on Marine Clownfish."

Trust me, the onesy-twosy questions at a time does not work -- we've been through too many of those threads on the Breeding Forum; it's a painful thing.

John Hardman also wrote some excellent FAQs at the top of the Clownfish forum.

Be prepared to sink a lot of money into the project. A LOT.
 
By onesy-twosey questions, I mean asking a question, waiting for a response, asking another question... by the time you have asked all the questions you need to, the fish will be too old to breed. :)

You are on the right track with the equipment list, but it's better to have a couple of large air pumps and an air manifold, that way you can drop 3, 4, or 5 airstones in a tank. You will need that much air; bbay fish suck up oxygen fast. More on equipment later.

It's hard to say how much a pair of fish will cost. Two fish that you pair up will be cheap at $10-$15 each. You will wait 1, 2 or more years to get them conditioned and get a first spawn out of them, and then they need some time to practice and get more mature, so you will probably not get healthy nests for at least several months after that.

"Pairs" are for sale on this forum all the time. They are two clowns that live together and have a pair bond, but have never spawned. Depending on the age, you may be able to condition and deworm them and get a first spawn within 6 months. If they are mature, say 3+ years old, they may begin producing healthy nests fairly quickly.

"Spawning pairs" are pairs of fish that are proven spawners and are producing nests regularly. These fish, depending on markings, etc., can go for $100+ per pair. $300 for a nice pair is not unusual, and I have been privately offered much more than that for my gobies. Moving the fish to a new tank will often result in them stopping spawning for months; some resume in a month or two, some may get moved and never spawn again or worst case scenario, the pair bond breaks.

Ocellaris are gentle and not as easily disturbed. They are unlikely to break their pair bond unless handled very badly and will tolerate conditions other clowns would mutiny over. They are also fairly cheap to acquire and hardy, and there is always a market for ocellaris babies.

A single broodstock pair can produce quite a lot of fish and wil be plenty to get you started. Once spawning, they spawn every two weeks and you potentially end up with 25-75 fish per spawn that reach saleable age and did not have to be culled. Sounds like a lot of fish, right? It's not much for a fish store. You might keep one small fish store in clowns if you raised every nest they produced. Fish stores are unlikely to give good prices (or even to buy at all) from a very small supplier because it will be too much trouble for them to deal with, and they will think of it as doing you a favor instead of the other way around.

Each nest will need at least one 10g tank (start with 5g of water and move up as they grow), receiving 50% water changes with aged mixed SW daily. Once they are in growout, a 10g-15g tank will be fine for each nest, but you want them to live on a shared system with a sump and skimmer, UV, etc.

That's not counting 2-3x the volume or larvae tanks with heavy rot cultures for the first week of feeding (which you will need to keep going constantly to raise every spawn), 2-3x the volume of rotifer tanks for growing phyto (can be replaced with frozen algae paste, but that's much more expensive), and brine shrimp hatcheries for BBS for the next few days after that... plus enrichment diet, different graded sizes of baby fish food, Clor-Am-X water conditioner, etc. And did I mention salt mix by the pallet?

Raising that many fish requires a garage full of stuff. Anything less than that many babies is not really financially feasible.

Now, if you want to do it for fun and just raise a few batches to sell to other hobbiests, you can scale down to several tanks and buckets of cultures. (Like what I did.) You will not make money on the project, but if you are careful and very lucky, you might break even after 6 or 7 good batches of fish; maybe sooner if you have a good pair laying big nests and you have a blue thumb so you get lots of babies to saleable size.

On the downside, it almost as much work to raise one batch of fish as it is to take care of 10 batches.

I suggest you hang out in the breeding forum and do some reading there, not just the technical details but the complaining and venting and posts full of frustrations. You will get a better idea of the work involved and the complexity of some of it.

Raising clowns is not hard, really, but it requires lots of diligence, time and attention to detail. The ONE day you get lazy and decide to do that water change in the morning because you are tired can mean a tank full of dead clowns.

Good luck!
 
thank you nicole for the great information and i would likely be doing it for fun but would like to eventually break even. while im still a kid and share a room with my sister(every other weekend) i will only be able to have like 3 or 4 saltwater tanks
unless i get a selving unit or frame for more tanks

could i please get more info about how to set each tank up and when to move them and such

thank you very very much
 
could i please get more info about how to set each tank up and when to move them and such

There's no "answer" I'm afraid; that's a topic of much debate and techinque. The books I mentioned will get you thinking in the right direction about how YOU want to do it. The Wilkerson book is easier to read; the Hoff book is way more thorough and accurate.

You are welcome to come over any time and see my small set up and see the way I chose to do it. I'm a beginner at breeding, but having some luck so far. 3 to 4 tanks will be plenty for a small setup, provided you also have room for the cultures.

I saw you posted one question in the Breeding Forum -- that's that best place for this discussion where more (and more experienced) folks can chime in.
 
Send Morgman a PM... he's a local clown breeder. Bought a pair from him like two years ago, both are still doing great and have officially paired up.
 
You must not forget the ratio of 4:1, or better yet 8:1. That is 4-8 tens gallon tanks per breeding pair. If you want to have room to work with a couple months of babies you must think this way.

If you want to work with a couple spawns then your good with your brood(reef?) tank and some assorted tens. You will be amazed how many tanks you can fill. Once these have babies in them they will be filled for 3 months plus while you growout your clowns to sellable sizes.
 
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