Well, I bought 2 black ice clowns from that Pop Coral guy who was at the NERAC swap. He was very reasonably priced at $70 or $75 for a pair. He also had some other designer clowns I think. From what I've heard he has an account on Manhattan Reefs that he uses to promote his business. He seemed like a nice enough guy and the clowns are doing really well, and funny enough, they prefer pellets over frozen...not sure if that normal or even a good thing.