Apex Powerhead Tidal Programming

CuzzA

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So the more I got to thinking about my tanks flow pattern and copying some of the other programming on different threads and websites, I thought it was just wrong.

We strive to duplicate the natural reef. Which is nearly impossible. But if you think about flow in the ocean it runs on a 6 hour cycle with the tides. 2 high and 2 low per day. So if you have an Apex and controllable power heads, in my opinion, you should try to mimic a 6 hour cycle.

As you can see from my programming below, I have one basic flow cycle duplicated 4 times in a 24 hour period. I won't list what the actual programming is for each profile because every tank (size and aquascape) is different and will require different flow. I spent a considerable amount of time dialing it in.

However, I can describe the type of flow I programmed for each profile.

SLACKTIDE. This is to mimic the typical one hour slack tide in the ocean. It's the time between high and low tide. For this I simply programmed a laminar flow pattern to replicate a steady current. I may adjust the positioning of my power heads to try to get a better gyre circulating the tank.

WAVETIDELT: This is a pulsing wave pattern that moves large volumes of water back and forth. Here I'm trying to mimic a wave pattern that represents the turbulent flow that is created when tides rises and falls.

WAVETIDE: This is the same as WAVETIDELT (LT=Light) but more violent and crashing turbulence.

STORM: This is the most violent and turbulent setting. Some would call it nutrient export mode. Basically it just really churns up the water and gets any detritus out of tight spots. It only runs for a half hour every night.

The logic behind this programming if we start at the beginning of the tidal cycle is a laminar slack tide current building to a lightwave and then increasing to a strong wave and then back to a light wave and finally to a laminar slack tide, repeating the process every 6 hours. One popular myth to dispel is, "You should run your tank calm at night." I can assure you the ocean doesn't decide to be calm because its night time and many divers will testify that currents are sometimes even stronger at night. Nighttime has nothing to do with tides. The moon doesn't stop rotating at night. Lol

So here's what the programming schedule looks like.

CONTROLLABLE POWERHEAD:

Fallback ON
Set WAVETIDELT
If Time 00:01 to 01:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 01:01 to 03:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 03:01 to 04:00 Then WAVETIDE
If Time 04:01 to 06:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 06:01 to 07:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 07:01 to 09:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 09:01 to 10:00 Then WAVETIDE
If Time 10:01 to 12:01 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 12:01 to 13:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 13:01 to 15:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 15:01 to 16:00 Then WAVETIDE
If Time 16:01 to 18:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 18:01 to 19:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 19:01 to 21:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 21:01 to 21:30 Then WAVETIDE
If Time 21:31 to 22:00 Then STORM
If Time 22:01 to 24:00 Then WAVETIDELT

Some of you may argue this doesn't make a difference as long as you have good flow in the tank. My reply to that is, "Well I have the ability to do it, so why not?" No different than light manufacturers starting to produce lights that mimic dusk to dawn, seasonal changes and the lunar cycle. These creatures have adapted to live in a perfect cycle with the earth, moon and sun for hundreds of thousands of years. When in captivity we want them to feel like they are right at home in the ocean.
 
Right now a 90 gallon with 2 WP25's. Working on a 300 gallon upgrade where I'll incorporate the same logic. As I continue to observe the flow in my tank I'll post any change here if I make any.

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I have a question about your tanks normal height with no wave action. How far below the top of your tank is the normal level and do you get some splashing when you are set on waves please. I am trying to not find out the hard way.
 
CuzzA, Very interesting for me as I just got 2 WP-25's AND an APEX controller! FOR my 90 gallon tank. I am very interested to know where you placed your powerheads and what type of corals you have? I know with rockwork every tank is different but I almost feel like the flow from those 2 25's is TOO much flow. I have mainly softies and LPS and when I put them in (just last night actually) It practically blew some corals off the rocks! My Xenia's closed up, Kenya as well. If you get a chance PM me a pic of your tank.
 
I have mostly hard corals. You can see the ph's in the pic. The WP's move a lot of water, so you'll have to play around with placement and intensity.


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Nice! I have them in almost the same position, except my overflow is in Left corner. Like I said I just started playing with them last night but already love the control these offer over my previous Koralia 1150 and even at half power they seem stronger. Thanks.
 
Any updates?
I am trying to do something similar with 4 WP-40s but haven't figured out how to do the programming.
Have you considered trying to alternate the prevailing direction of flow in the tank every six hours by alternating the power levels?
-Paul
 
Any updates?
I am trying to do something similar with 4 WP-40s but haven't figured out how to do the programming.
Have you considered trying to alternate the prevailing direction of flow in the tank every six hours by alternating the power levels?
-Paul

I tried that. The challenge is keeping enough flow on the opposite side of the tank. My aqua scape doesn't really allow for it because it's so tall and I prefer to keep the ph's on the back glass rather than the sides. But doing it that way makes perfect sense.

On my new build I will reduce the height of my aqua scape which should allow for this. I may even consider using gyres to simulate a laminar slack tide.


Jebao RW series.
 
What Cuzza said. Rw8 jebao pumps.

I never have the entire tank going crazy at once. Different times during the day on different days different areas are calm and others crazy and sometimes the majority of the tank is calm. As close to random as the apex allows.
 
Great minds bro. :smokin:

You obviously can do way more with your apex but I had a similar idea not too long ago using 2 pairs of rw15s. First set would spin the tank clockwise for 6 hours then turn off, second set then clicks on and spins the water counter clockwise for its cycle. I could overlap the flow to make it rough or add a short down time with no pumps on for a nice little lull.

This way the water will actually switch directions just like it does on a real near shore reef.

I had another idea related to the ebb and flow, (must be a watermen thing lol) this one is for the 12 gallon long that i am building in my office. The idea uses a return and drain on each end of the tank totaling 2 each. Each return line gets its own return pump that will be on a timer, Left side return runs for 6 hours before turning off and switching to the right side. This way the water will get pushed across left to right then switch to right to left.

First attachment is my jebao layout and the second is a (design inspiration) 12 long with a return and drain on each side that I found on the internet.
 

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Great minds bro. :smokin:

You obviously can do way more with your apex but I had a similar idea not too long ago using 2 pairs of rw15s. First set would spin the tank clockwise for 6 hours then turn off, second set then clicks on and spins the water counter clockwise for its cycle. I could overlap the flow to make it rough or add a short down time with no pumps on for a nice little lull.

This way the water will actually switch directions just like it does on a real near shore reef.

I had another idea related to the ebb and flow, (must be a watermen thing lol) this one is for the 12 gallon long that i am building in my office. The idea uses a return and drain on each end of the tank totaling 2 each. Each return line gets its own return pump that will be on a timer, Left side return runs for 6 hours before turning off and switching to the right side. This way the water will get pushed across left to right then switch to right to left.

First attachment is my jebao layout and the second is a (design inspiration) 12 long with a return and drain on each side that I found on the internet.

Watermen for sure. Lol. I feel like the ocean is my second home. I'm sure you feel the same way. I'd be on the water 1-2x a week, every week before my son was born. Now I just have to get the little man swimming.

I like the powerhead placement layout. An Apex definitely has its advantages and would make it simpler to achieve a 24 hour tidal program. I'd suggest just a gyre if it had any wave making capabilities. That's the problem I see with those... Just really good laminar flow.

I like the timed two side return too. I could see a Sea Swirl on each side working really well to break up the direct laminar flow and maybe couple it with DC pumps where you could slow down one side and vice versa.

Hell, if I had the room above my tank I'd add a surge tank too. :)

Great minds indeed ;)
 
I finally hooked up the fish-street Jebao to Apex cables I bought back at Christmas.

I used CuzzA's programming example and only changed a few things. I reversed the heavy and light timing on the variable port programs for the pumps on the left vs the right to try to get a reversing tide 4 times a day.

Thanks for posting this thread! it was very helpful!
Have you changed yours much from what is posted?
Does anyone else have any thoughts on better ways to simulate "high tide" or "low tide" with the limitations of this equipment?

Thanks again,
Paul

Here is a graphic and what I programmed in case it helps someone. There are probably still some bugs in it somewhere.

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VARSPD 1 & 2, Left side of the tank

Fallback ON
Set WAVETIDELT
If Time 00:01 to 01:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 01:01 to 03:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 03:01 to 04:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 04:01 to 06:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 06:01 to 07:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 07:01 to 09:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 09:01 to 10:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 10:01 to 12:01 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 12:01 to 13:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 13:01 to 15:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 15:01 to 16:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 16:01 to 18:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 18:01 to 19:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 19:01 to 21:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 21:01 to 21:30 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 21:31 to 22:00 Then STORM
If Time 22:01 to 24:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY


for the pumps on the right side of the tank
VARSPD 3 & 4

Fallback ON
Set WAVETIDELT
If Time 00:01 to 01:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 01:01 to 03:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 03:01 to 04:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 04:01 to 06:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 06:01 to 07:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 07:01 to 09:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 09:01 to 10:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 10:01 to 12:01 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 12:01 to 13:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 13:01 to 15:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 15:01 to 16:00 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 16:01 to 18:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 18:01 to 19:00 Then SLACKTIDE
If Time 19:01 to 21:00 Then WAVETIDELT
If Time 21:01 to 21:30 Then WAVETIDEHVY
If Time 21:31 to 22:00 Then STORM
If Time 22:01 to 24:00 Then WAVETIDELT
Profiles:

SLACKTIDE
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 10
Off time (Seconds) 15
Minimum intensity 30
Maximum intensity 30



WAVETIDE_LT:
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Enabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 7
Off time (Seconds) 4
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 30

WAVETIDEHVY:
Synchronize Enabled
Divide by 10 Enabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 7
Off time (Seconds) 4
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 100


STORM:
Synchronize Disabled
Divide by 10 Disabled
Initial off time (Seconds) 0
On time (Seconds) 30
Off time (Seconds) 30
Minimum intensity 0
Maximum intensity 90
 

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