ASM G-3 Skimmer Recirc Mod

JohnV8r

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I wanted to provide some photos of my ASM G-3 Recirc Mod to help fill in some gaps in the information that exists at this time. First, let me start by saying that this is a VERY EASY mod to make if you plan it out and don't just decide to do it on the fly one morning.

Without a doubt, the scariest part of doing this mod for most people will be the notion that you are going to cut into your skimmer. You have to cut holes to accommodate putting the pump intake into the skimmer and to allow for a new water intake. Both of these should be done by using a hole saw. These are pre-made round cutting tools that can be purchased at Home Depot for about $7 each. You will need two to do what I did; a 1" and 1.75" hole saw. These fit in a drill and allow you to cut an easy circular hole in the body of your skimmer.

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The hole saw in the picture above is the 1.75". The trick to using hole saws successfully on plexiglass or PVC is to drill the pilot hole, then reverse the direction of the drill so that the hole saw it going backwards. This prevents the teeth from making too aggressive of a bite that can cause cracking. Take your time and don't push to hard. It's easy if you're patient.

You will have to line up the pump intake directly underneath the factory drilled hole. I used a Sharpie to trace around the venturi and put the pilot drill bit right in the middle of the circle I traced.

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This is the ASM bulkhead. It requires a 1.75" hole to fit properly, hence the 1.75" hole saw. I bought this extra bulkhead from Aquacave.com . Taking the time to get an extra bulkhead is worth the wait. It makes the recirc mod much simpler than the belt sanded PVC intake solutions I found in other posts.

Once the hole is cut and bulkhead fit in place, you simply need one 1" 90 degree elbow to put on top of the Sedra pump, a section of 1" PVC, another 1" 90 degree elbow to direct the flow down, and another section of 1" PVC to take it to the bottom of the skimmer body.

This is what it looks like assembled:

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No glue needed to complete any of the recirculating pump parts. Just push them together firmly.

Next you will need to use a 1" hole saw to cut the intake hole. Again, drill the pilot hole and reverse the drill direction so the hole saw cuts backwards. Parts are found in Home Depot's plumbing department where the sprinkler and drip system materials are found. Toro makes the black PVC female 90 degree fitting and the male 90 degree fitting. All you see in the pictures are the female 90 degree piece here.

Once the hole for the intake is cut, I dry fitted the 90 degree female piece and then glued it in place using PVC cement. I used Christy's Red Hot Blue Glue PVC cement. I like Christy's Red Hot because it is a one step (no primer needed) cement and it is made for pressurized systems. I put a layer of PVC cement on the 90 degree fitting, held it in place until it bonded (30 seconds), and then used an old Elos test kit syringe to put a bead of cement on the inside seam (inside of the skimmer body). That helped to seal any gaps in around the fitting and ended up looking like this:

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Next, I used 3M 5200 Fast Cure Marine Adhesive Sealant to create a bead around the 90 degree fitting on the outside of the skimmer body. 5200 is easy to use and works fantastic as both an adhesive and a sealant. Some people are squeamish about the zinc oxide in 5200, but IME once cured it doesn't leach out. In this instance it's on the outside of the skimmer body anyway and won't contact any water. When finished, it looks like this:

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This whole modification took me about an hour to complete (plus cure times for the PVC cement and 5200 Adhesive).

I did not put the "bubble cup" in the bottom of my skimmer as described in this G3 mod: http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/diy-projects/2001-my-uber-skimmer-asm-g-3-modification.html

I hope this helps the next person contemplating the ASM recirc mod. My G3 has the Gate Valve mod, the Mesh Mod, and now the Recirc Mod. I'm very pleased with its performance on my 194 gallon system.

If anyone has any questions, I am subscribed to this post. Just reply with your question and I will respond.
 
Here you go:

Here is the skimmer in action:

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Bubbles are very fine from the mesh mod and they now go from the very bottom of the skimmer all the way up. I am using a MaxiJet 900, which supplies about 230+ gallons per hour to the skimmer. I originally tried using a feed off of my ATB return pump, but felt the flow to the display tank was insufficient. The original Sedra 5000 that fed the skimmer is a 500 gallon per hour pump. However, by increasing the amount of the skimmer that produces bubbles by 100%, plus increasing the dwell time, the amount of skimmate production (both in amount and density) is better than it was without the recirc mod.

Here is what the skimmer cup looked like after two days. It is amazing what increasing the dwell time will do to the production of skimmate.

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If anyone ever has any questions on how to do the recirc mod or the any of the ASM mods, they can feel free to reply to this post (I am subscribed to it) or send me a private message.
 
One quick update on the way I did the recirc mod: I would suggest putting a thin layer of 5200 on the inside of the skimmer over the PVC cement where the 90 degree fitting comes through. It should overlap the PVC cement by at least 1/16 of an inch. Here's the reason why: The PVC cement ends up being more brittle when fully cured than the 5200. This is important because when you attach the intake line you may end up pulling/pushing on the fitting slightly. The flexibility of the 5200 on both sides of the skimmer will ensure you have a seal on both sides.

Feel free to shoot me any questions you may have.
 
I'm assuming you're talking about using one of the ASM rubber bulkheads. That is a great question and certainly something I would consider doing differently if I were doing it all over again. ASM makes the rubber bulkheads in 1/2", 3/4", and 1" and they are pre-curved to fit the radius of the skimmer body. Even if the outer diameter of the 90 degree fitting had to be modified to fit in one of the ASM rubber bulkheads, it would make the installation easier and more flexible for any future changes to my sump area.

Great question/suggestion.
 
Glad you like it. I have to say, I continue to love my ASM G3 with the mods. It's performance on my system has been phenomenal.
 
I use an ASM G3 and have not had any problems. I am curious about the mods you have done to yours, like what they do and why? I am always up for making things better :)
 
I did three modifications to my ASM G3; the gate valve mod, the recirc mod, and the mesh mod.

The gate valve mod allows for more precise adjustment of the skimmer level. This was the first modification I did right after I got the skimmer. It does not require any permanent changes.

The recirc mod changes the skimmer so that it is a recirculating skimmer. This does a couple of things. First, it allows you to control the amount of water being input into the skimmer because you select the pump you use. Some people plumb the skimmer input right off the overflow. I have also seen some that are plumbed off the return pump. I am currently using a MaxiJet 1200 for the input. The best part of the recirc mod in my mind is that the skimmer will not flood the cup when there is a change in the water level in my sump. Finally, instead of half of the skimmer being filled with bubbles, the entire skimmer body is bubbles. IMO, this increases the skimmer's performance by doubling the amount of skimmer body that has micro bubbles interacting with the water and lifting waste.

The mesh mod replaces the needle wheel with Enkomat material that whips up some very fine bubbles. There are those who do not believe the mesh mod really improves performance. I can certainly attest to the fact that the bubbles it produces are smaller than the bubbles the regular Sedra needle wheel produces. I did it because my Sedra needle wheel had lost a significant amount of the nubs over the years. If I was going to have to replace it, I figured I would try the mesh mod first. Whether that makes it produce more skimmate or not, I really do not know. I did the recirc and mesh mods at the same time.

I will say that as it sits right now, my ASM G3 performs better than it did when it was stock. It definitely meets all my needs. I have not had nitrate issues in a long, long time.
 
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With the recirc mod and no bubble cup on the bottom of the inside of the skimmer do you get micro bubbles coming out into the sump?
 
JohnV8r,

I had the ASM G3 on my 120g but never really got the skimmer running well. Tried the mesh mod...helped just a little. Gate valve definitely helped with the skimmer level.

I bought the Uniseals for the recirculation mod but couldn't find the instructions.......asmskimmer.com was shutdown.

Great job sharing the info!!
 
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